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4464 Bittern to do 90mph on ECML - 29 June & 27 July 2013

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by buseng, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. pacelweb

    pacelweb New Member

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    Seen here just south of Durham station and viaduct, narrowly escaping the clutches of a sinister northbound empty coal freight...
     
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  2. iswise

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    Lets hope it does, just as today's run brings back my own early memories as a 9 year old riding behind 60024 recorded at around 94 max on the same racing ground with the A4 LPS special 21/5/66 Doncaster - Edinburgh and return. Has a Streak done 90 on this section since??
     
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    I'm fairly sure this will stay with him for life. He loves all steam locos but is totally obsessed with the A4s. I think the only thing that could top today for him or atleast equal it is if he has a seat for a similar run for 100th anniversary if they do one. He has even said that he wants to drive them when he's older. His interest has gone on too long to be a fad so who knows he may get to drive one one day.
     
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    Iswise, that must have been an amazing experience for you. Nice to have those memories refreshed by today's run. I bet it brought back the exact same excited feeling you had too :)
     
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    green five Resident of Nat Pres

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    "We saw her going through the north end of Darlington and she was going at a good speed. I didn't have the exact time but it was somewhere between 17.20 and 17.25 probably nearer the former rather than the latter. It was the railway bridge on Salters Lane North to anyone who knows Darlington. Spectacular sight for me and my 4 year old son. We saw the Northbound journey at Northallerton station but this was far more impressive. The speed combined with the fact it was night time so you could see the glow from the firebox and sparks flying was breathtaking. My son was also very impressed, bless him. Well worth the 2 postponements to get to see her fly past when it was dark. "

    An absolute joy reading the comments on this thread again after the disappointment this morning. The comment above though is the best so far from Lara 1985. Great to hear the younger generation taking an interest and no doubt the experience will stay with him.
     
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    Based on RTT times a flying average from Birtley Jn (Tyne yard south end) to Tollerton 66 3/4 miles in 48 1/4 mins = 83mph. Much looking forward to taking my seat on Saturday!!
     
  7. KentYeti

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    Quotes aren't working for me at present, so:-


    Sounds like 66 mins 19 secs start to stop and a very good spell at 90 or more. Max not as high as mentioned here by someone else, but still a nice reward for all the patience shown by those on board and those running the trips.

    (That's an average speed start to stop of over 72 mph BTW).
     
  8. Spamcan81

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    Been too busy to post but the last message I received was "over 92 now."
     
  9. gricerdon

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    That's getting close to the sort of thing the Bulleids were doing in 1965-67.

    Seriously this was obviously fantastic and as an old 'timer' I really should have been there. I was thinking about this trip all day tough whilst out foting the 5s. So glad it went well in the end.

    Don
     
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    My friends say that it was a great run back with lots of 90+ running. Unsure of maximum but talk on the train was of 94.
     
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    45581 Part of the furniture

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    Full marks to all concerned especially Network Railway who enabled the train to continue north from York when other trains were being stopped short of their destinations. At the time a difficult decision for someone who thankfully made the right choice.

    Well done Network Rail and thank you
     
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    One photograph taken by myself for the record on some grainy settings with a small flash gun below. If anyone can give me an accurate speed reading through Thirsk station that would be greatly appreciated. She was certainly cantering along nicely.

    Richard

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    my gps reading from coach D shows 95.1 mph max, average start to stop of 74.2, a lot of other gps users in D were getting virtually identical readings

    Superb run, well worth the wait !!!
     
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    Excellent. Thanks for posting.
     
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    Just got home after a great run back from Newcastle. Good to read on this thread of you all rooting for us. It's been a day (year?) of highs and lows with this trip, but what a huge high to end on!

    To answer Wazza588, we did a steady 90 right through Thirsk, and a good bit higher through Darlington.

    Lots more tomorrow - not many pictures but plenty of words and figures to go with them!

    But for now, it's good night, with a huge smile on my face!

    Peter, back in a not-so-windy Manchester
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  16. Big Al

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    Well, the cold front and the really gusty weather passed through York while we were all waiting for Bittern to come on the train. So apart from a bit of debris that had to be cleared from across the wires at Danby Wiske for which we had to stop and proceed with caution, the weather was just windy north of York but sadly NR could hardly be expected to respond that quickly to what was actually happening on the ground and so the 50 mph limit had to prevail until they said it would - ie 2 pm.

    But the return, as has been tracked by everyone on RTT was something else. I'm sorry that my steam maximum with 35026 (90) in the Thirsk area was blown away (if that's the right turn of phrase), but I'm happy to see it go to Bittern and the DBS crews (who were out in force on the footplate and the train.)

    The start was slowish because of tricky rail conditions so we had only wound up to the low seventies by Durham and were down to 63 over Relly Mill. But it really was pretty swift thereafter. On the run down from Aycliffe towards Darlington we first hit 90 and there was a burst to just a tad under 95 before the station and 94 through Darlington where she was being eased a bit otherwise we would have been into three figures in the dip at Croft Spa. Over the bump at the former Eryholme Junc at 82 and then onwards in the high eighties towards the bridge slack at Northallerton. Thereafter on the slightly falling grades Bittern really got into her stride and was at or around 90 for a continuous period of 11 or 12 minutes. Someone asked about Thirsk - 91 - and there was a further max of 92 sustained over about three miles in the Raskelf/Pilmoor area. Whilst I am sure that we obeyed all speed limits as we arrived at York it was one of the quickest arrivals I've had into a station for quite some time as we swept across the entrance into platform 11.

    The overall running time was 66 min 18 sec (a little more if you insist on counting the first move of the train before Bittern picked up her wheels and stopped!). This is remarkably half a minute inside what on paper seemed to be an extremely challenging 67 minute schedule - i.e. a start to stop average of 72.6 mph over the 80 miles and 16 chains.

    It goes without saying that we should thank the DBS crews who did the job. (Enough to say that Steve Hanczar and Brian Grierson seemed to have a big hand in it). But also I think we should thank the people at Milton Keynes, and I gather one or two critical people who 'held their hand' to get us the path each way, but especially the southbound path that led to what I think is a record for steam between the two cities. Others will know for certain.

    The return run always had the potential to be the best. And so it turned out. What a frenetic 66 min in the dark.
     
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    Roll on Saturday!
     
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    Through Darlington at 17:20 and circa 93 mph.
     
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    I can only echo what "Big Al" has posted; the consensus maximum on the platform seemed to be 94 mph max, anything more was pretty transitory.

    I make it over 29 miles at an average of over 90 mph.

    My thanks to all involved, well worth the wait and hearty congratulations.

    It is remarkable that in 2013, 50 years (or so) after steam was surpassed as the prime motive power on the ECML, a new record time was set between Newcastle and York by no less than a Gresley A4.
     
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    Let me know where you'll be and I'll wave graciously as we tear by. :)
     

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