North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

Good and impressive progress, but that platform at Whitby does look narrow.

 

It meets the minimum width/depth required across for platform, so legally fine, but I thought similar myself when in Whitby, but compared to others on our line about the same. Platform one is very wide and further makes platform 2 smaller.

 

Meeting the legal minimum I take as read, and clearly there are constraints with neighbouring property. A tight squeeze, so well done for fitting it all in.

Still looks narrow though.........

 

I don't think it will quite as narrow when complete - the coping stones add to the width compared with the wall quite a bit. The actual area will be more comparable than might first seem to be the case with the existing platform because the new one is considerably longer.

Steven

 

http://www.nymr.co.uk/timetables-and-fares/timetable/

New timetable for 2nd August announced!

Gold

Ex Grosmont 1030 (starts Whitby 1000), 1130, 1230, 1330 (starts Whitby 1245), 1430 (starts Whitby 1400), 1540, 1715 (starts Whitby 1640), 1835 (starts Whitby 1800).

Ex Pickering 0930 (to Whitby 1110), 1000, 1100, 1200 (to Whitby 1344), 1300 (to Whitby 1455), 1400, 1500, 1610 (to Whitby 1745)

Red

Ex Grosmont 1030 (starts Whitby 1000), 1130, 1230, 1330 (starts Whitby 1245), 1430 (starts Whitby 1400), 1540, 1715 (starts Whitby 1640). 1800 ex Whitby terminates Grosmont 1825.

Ex Pickering 0930 (to Whitby 1110), 1100, 1200 (to Whitby 1344), 1300 (to Whitby 1455), 1400, 1500, 1610 (to Whitby 1745)

Green

Ex Grosmont 1030 (starts Whitby 1000), 1130, 1330 (starts Whitby 1245), 1430 (starts Whitby 1400), 1540, 1715 (starts Whitby 1640). 1800 ex Whitby terminates Grosmont 1825.

Ex Pickering 0930 (to Whitby 1110), 1000, 1100, 1200 (to Whitby 1344), 1300 (to Whitby 1455), 1500, 1610 (to Whitby 1745)

Presume no Moorlander on green dates as 1230/1400 not shown?

0915 Grosmont to Whitby on green, red & gold

Silver / yellow as now except 1700 ex Pickering doesn't run on yellow Sundays presume ECS working to balance sets for Monday or ?

Some of the codes at top need revising as showing diesel one way & steam other

Eg; red: 1130 ex Grosmont no codes, but 1300 ex Pickering SD (diesel from Pickering, steam to Whitby)

A quick glance only so far

 

What a gigantic bag of poo!

After 1130 ex Grosmont the next steam could be 1430. Or 1300 to 1610 ex Pickering between steam trains.

Connection to 1617 M'boro NR service broken.

Two short trains ex Pickering but they never seem to go back?

Better get there a few times in July during old timetable.

David

 

And escaping via Pickering no longer works very well.

Currently the 1640 arrival Pickering has a chance of 1652 bus, although with the grim timekeeping on the railway I agree that rarely works. The new TT sees the train arrive 1650, so that's stuffed that.

So the safest bet currently is 1740 Pickering, for 1817 or 1832 bus. The new timetable after 1650 has no arrival until 1820. In essence meaning there is no connection to Coastliner for getting home. I will most certainly not risk the 1820 to 1832 dash.

David

 

I am pretty sure that the attempt to convey information quickly via notes at the top of train columns has caused some confusion here!

I think that the SD above the 12:45 from Whitby on Gold applies only when the 12:30 from Grosmont is the diner and hence steam hauled - on other days, the 12:30 is diesel and 13:30 steam.

Attempting to co-ordinate with bus times is clearly in the "to do" column, but any past co-ordination was, I am afraid, co-incidental. With fuel costs as they, it would certainly be in the NYMR's interests to make travel by bus easier - although whether a bus operator who also serves Goathland and Whitby may not feel the same!

Steven

 

My other half doesn't do diesel (and I'm not too keen myself) so if there are large gaps between steam hauled trains, she'll be wanting to visit other lines where steam hauled services are more frequent.

 

Is that right Steven that the 1230/1400 "Moorlander" no longer operates at all on any green timetable dates?

Thanks

 

I am afraid that the way the notes have tried to convey dated information is leading to confusion and consternation!

On Gold, when there is a lunchtime Pullman, the 10:00 and 15:00 ex Pickering are Diesel Hauled, and the 13:30 and 18:35 ex Grosmont.

When no Diner, it is the 10:00 and 14:00 ex Pickering and 12:30 and 18:35 ex Grosmont.

However, on non-Pullman days, there is no Diesel Haulage on Red - 13:30 ex Grosmont and 15:00 ex Pickering are diesel when lunchtime Pullman running.

On Green, Diesel works 11:00 and 15:00 ex Pickering and 13:30 and 17:15 ex Grosmont.

The short set note on the 11:00 in Gold is Friday and Saturday only.

Yes - the 12:30/14:00 runs only on days when there is a lunchtime diner on Green.

Making this more clearly presented on the website will be looked at on Monday.

Steven

 

Confused.com

Hopefully joe public can decipher all the notes / days of operation as I'm lost.

 

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Agreed, very complicated

Especially if I'm in a diesel day mood & find steam or in a steam day mood & find diesel

 

Timetable information should be easy to understand pure and simple. So often websites seem to be designed from the designers viewpoint and not the end user's.

 

Can anyone advise what locos will be running this week, what is likely to haul 9.00am from Pickering, and if B1 is running what services is it planned to haul ?Day of visit not decided but will be either Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday.

 

Which locos are in use each day are updated on the right-hand side of the website from page: http://www.nymr.co.uk/ - you will need to scroll down slightly.

60007 Sir Nigel Gresley is running from yesterday, which will be all week all being well.

The B1 was out last week, so is less likely to be running this week. if it is, it will be working trains running to or from Whitby - the fleet basically splits into the ones that can run to Whitby (45428, 61264 and 75029 at the moment) and those which can't No.29, 44806 and 60007). 63395 is now back at Pickering and will be transferring through to Grosmont very shortly. It should soon be back in service but I haven't got a date for that.

The last week, the 09:00 has been diesel because the booked diesel diagram (10:00 onwards) has been worked by Lambton No.29)

Steven

 

Apologies for the complexity - the main reason is that not all locos, stock and services run through to Whitby, but the specific variations that are causing confusion are actually Pullman train related.

The two main confusions (leading to different situations on different days) arise because:

• The Pullman Diner path - which runs on a lunchtime on Wednesdays and Thursday during the school holidays - is diesel on the when not a Pullman,. We did initially advertise the Pullman trains as diesel - I'll let you guess the resultant bookings, so a switch to permit steam haulage of the Diner had to be made. The Diner can't easily run an hour later as the train originates at Whitby and would involve all passengers changing trains at Grosmont and non-diners being accommodated in the 3 ordinary carriages on the rear of the Pullman cars.
• The short set runs Friday and Saturday so that the platform at Pickering can be left clear on Friday and Saturday evenings for the evening Pullman service. On for being able to stable for 3 full length sets (preferably in a shed) at Pickering! (Being able to stable 3 steam locos would help relieve the need to run a diesel on Gold too).

Not ideal but not readily avoidable.

As for presentation, my own experience is that using "traditional" Railway timetables ,which the NYMR does, can confuse when many of the public are not use to train travel. A more verbose "Trains depart Pickering to Whitby at 09:30, 12:00, 13:00 and 16:10," etc. I suspect may be more "passenger friendly" but would be major leap and still would look quite a forbidding block of text. Shorter lines do tend to work that way, and I know a few years back the SVR started doing that on the "external", glossy leaflet and produced a full timetable for use whilst actually on the Railway on plainer paper (a concept the NYMR has followed, showing "today's train times" and issued with tickets).

I am hoping we can get the website back to where you click on a date and get the precise, correct version for that day, which needs no notes as it shows the relevant variant.

Steven

 

Thanks for that Steven. I get there for the 9.00 but wait for the 10: 00 if the former is diesel. My last visit was the LNER Gala in 2008 only realised how long ago in top 5 thread.