North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

We must be talking over 10 years ago - I am sure what you saw in TICs and guest houses didn't have the full calendar and timetable - but could be wrong!

Steven

 

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Just adding to what has already been said, the 0900 seems to be solidly diesel these days and I hear 60007 has a bit of a migraine at the minute and is having a lie down on shed, but should be fit by late on Monday. 1000 will not run Monday. 29 should be out all (?) week again so certainly worth a visit.

David

 

As long as 0900 or 1000 off Pickering is Steam I will be happy. Have not been behind Nr 29 so that would be a bonus , while I have been behind 60007 before including on the mainline. Will welcome any updates.

 

From the main webpage: http://www.nymr.co.uk/ 60007 still seems to be "resting" and the B1 is back in action today:

No.29, 45428, 61264, 75029 plus 37 264 and D7628 (the later will be topping and tailing trains between Grosmont and Whitby).

Steven

 

Thanks Steven. Heading North shortly will then be accessing from phone.

 

Just adding to the timetable discussion. Watching an average busy day I do wonder how many passengers ever looked at a timetable - they just turn up. This leads to some of the poor timekeeping; no matter how hard staff try to get a train away, stragglers appear, who announce granny is still in the carpark or little Johnny in the bog .... I'm not sure how you manage this given the £££s they have paid. With bigger gaps to/from Pickering in the new TT there is even more reason to wait for them. One day last week, sort of enthusiasts (I use the term loosely!) were getting off at Grosmont 5 minutes after train should have gone and after the right away, to get a another crap photo! The size of their cameras is impressive but not connected to brain size. My point is even they had no comprehension of time or a timetable.

So I would keep it simple at the high level with each day colour coded as now. Each timetable would have none of the cryptic letter codes, but I would number each train (1, 2, 3 etc or reporting number). So at the high levels it is easy - trains run today at these times.

The detail for those interested is by footnote with CLARITY (not an area the NYMR excels in!) for each train. e.g.:

1T10 - Daily is diesel hauled.
2G02 - Daily is steam hauled; is short 3-coach train.
2P07/2G10 - Saturday is dining train with limited ordinary accommodation and steam hauled.
Sunday to Friday is normal full sized train and is diesel hauled.
etc

As many trains have the same attributes you don't have to list every train, they can be grouped.

This might not seem very different to now, but somehow the current coding is mind numbingly confusing.

David

 

One day last week, sort of enthusiasts (I use the term loosely!) were getting off at Grosmont 5 minutes after train should have gone and after the right away, to get a another crap photo!

Most photographers take crap photos. You only have to look at the ranks of them lined up in exactly the same unimaginative spot to know that. By and large they'd have a better souvenir if they bought a postcard!

 

ALL photographers take crap photos, and anyone who claims differently is deluded!

 

Every photographer thinks that he is taking the definitive, iconic, master shot! I thought that it was a fundamental rule that once right away has been called, you don't open the doors,for obvious safety reasons. This rule has perhaps of late been diluted by the number of times you hear whistles being blown about five times before the train actually goes - the currency has been debased.

As a volunteer booking clerk, I never cease to be amazed how many people turn up at the last minute (or later) to get their tickets. If the train is about to go and there is nobody at the counter, I usually take a quick look at the car park just before the train goes. After all, we are in the business of people having a fun time, so the customer is always right!

John

 

One man's "unimaginative" spot is another's prized location. Yet again people feel the need to knock photographers so let's see your "imaginative" stuff then.

 

I am unconvinced by the argument that trains should be delayed because of the late arrival of passengers or the unwillingness of photographers to board in good time. Far more passengers are likely to be irritated by late running. Why inconvenience many because of the lack of consideration of a few?

 

Just looked at the timetable for when me and the Mrs. are likely to visit and the uncertainty of diesel haulage is making us think twice. Our preferred train would be the 09:00 Pickering - Whitby but the "may be diesel hauled" is too vague to plan with any certainty. We are considering Somerset instead for a break, where the diesel diagram on the WSR timetable is marked quite clearly so barring any failures, we can plan a day around steam haulage.

 

It's a matter of "common sense", isn't it? "Don't whistle the train away while passengers are coming down the footbridge" is how the General Manager has put it in the past and that summaries it pretty well - if you can see people rushing for the train, don't send it away until they are aboard. should never be more than a couple of minutes. Am little longer might be reasonable if the next train isn't for 2 hours instead of the normal one.

Steven

 

I suspect you need to scroll down the webpage, as that note appears above the 09:00 on Green and by the time we get back to Green again, it will be the new timetable with that train re-timed to 09:30.

At the moment, the 09:00 us tending to be diesel and the 10:00 steam but come the Gold timetable (next week until 30th August), the first train off Pickering is steam (09:00 until 1st August, 09:30 thereafter).

Steven

 

Latest update from the Civil Engineer.

http://www.nymr.co.uk/2014/07/civil-engineering-diary-part-8/

 

It will be between mid September and mid October so any idea if and when the 09:30 on green will be steam? Steam throughout from Pickering to Whitby and back and both me and her ladyship will be happy bunnies.

 

I shall have to get back to you on that one - the information on the website says steam between Grosmont and Whitby only, but the "master" from which it is produced says steam all the way (which would actually be a different loco each side of Grosmont).

Steven

 

I think it probably depends a bit on the line and how it interrelates with its surroundings. As an example, on the Bluebell, pre-East Grinstead, we would fairly often hold a train for late passengers, since in the end, provided we did the round trip within the allotted time, a few minutes late arrival at Kingscote didn't really matter - you would recover it in the run round. But now we have a connection with the mainline railway, and may well have passengers aiming to make a specific connection, we are much hotter on right - time running. Obviously a bit of common sense has to come into play, and there is a bit of recovery time in the timetable, but having a mainline connection has changed the rules of the game re timekeeping.

Tom