35009, Shaw Savill

Maybe the owners or owning groups of 35011 and 35025 should think about merging together. If both groups could merge together then there could be a chance in seeing one of these locos steaming again. The other loco could be sold for spares to other groups. Surely 35010 still needs a cylinder. Removing a cylinder off 35011 or 35025 would be another big mile stone towards 35010 steaming again. The money gain could or would go towards 35011 or 35025. But all this is in the ideal world and it would take a lot of sole searching for the groups of 35011 and 35025.

 

More than an ideal world - more like another world - in another galaxy. One of the prime symptoms of this sort of obsession is the complete inability to accept that "your" loco is the one to be sacrificed. The parts which could, with a lot of work, be useful might make enough money to pay for cutting the locos up (carefully!) and carting the remains away.

 

When you consider the venom often expressed on this forum to those organisations who have dared to break up a wreck to do something with it then its hardly surprising that it doesn't happen very often.

 

I agree it's a hard thing to say but I can't ever see both of these locos steaming again. I hope I'm wrong and we will see them back in steam again. I just can't see it happening in the location they are in and lack of resources these two groups have. Just look how long it's taken for 35006 P&O to get to a point where it's about to renter traffic again and this loco is at a well established preserved line. Don't get me wrong MN are by far my favourite loco and just maybe someone with a large wallet will come to there rescue.

 

Apparently GWR 2-8-0 2861 has this month bitten the dust and its remains gone for scrap... Joins 48518 and most of 42859 at that workshop in the sky.

That now equals the worst year for loco scrapping (1980) since the end of steam.

 

To be fair inspite of a 20 yr window at Woodham bros and their reasonable condition both 2861 or 48518 were overlooked in favour of other members of their class so maybe we should be thankful that their parts have survived to assist other projects?
As a 15 yr old in 1988 i was too young to participate in the Barry saga but was able in later life to play a part by buying an unrestored ex Barry loco to restore to working order. Maybe there will be others out there as part of the younger generation who will take on other unrestored Barry locos and continue the legacy?

 

Are the remains of 48518 very definitely cut up then? There are pictures here of the frames and cylinders going to the ELR for storage.

 

I really hope that neither 35011 nor '25 are just cut up. At the very least they should be retained as a supply of useful parts. The notion of the two owning groups combining, with the aim, perhaps, of creating a single working loco from the best parts of the two, is very sound. Maybe they can achieve together what neither could alone?

I'm afraid that this sort of situation will become more frequent in the future, first for unrestored locos, but also for restored but out-of-ticket ones. Owners will become too old, ill or hard-up to perform or pay for overhauls. Locos owned by individuals or small groups of friends will be most at risk, and some upsetting decisions will need to be faced. Although it would be nice (for the owners) to be able to sell for a decent price, that will probably only happen for in-ticket locos with a bit of earning potential before the next heavy repair, and many people will have to reconsider their definition of "a decent price". For out-of-ticket engines, mergers, hand-overs to larger societies or new trusts will become more common solutions.

 

I hear the sound of several nails being hit squarely on their heads.

 

All compatible components have been acquired for reuse on black 5s. As for the remains, only the owner or most recent custodian will be able to confirm the facts.
As 3855 has said the 8F was reputedly in generally good shape. Given its historical significance as the sole Darlington example it borders on the scandalous that the pillage occurred both for the mongrel gwr new build and the strategic reserve for a commercial loco operator.
With a bit of imagination surely nymr trust, weardale, nelpg and nrm could have used the substantive loco to better effect? The latter not least because the national collection lacks an 8F, it was built a stones throw from shildon museum and there is much wartime commemoration ahead.
I appreciate it boils down to money but if it has been destroyed it reflects badly on the heritage movement and some so called preservationists especially. My opinion, that's all.

 

This has been discussed before, and this thread isn't really the place for continuing the discussion but ... if 48518 was indeed (a) so significant and (b) in generally good shape, why was it one of the last ten left at Barry?

 

I know you should take anything you read in Steam Railway with a pinch of salt, but according to issue 429 page 25 "... cylinders to Ian Riley, frames scrapped at East Lancs Railway 2013."

Kudos to anyone who can prove Steam Railway wrong by producing a current photo of the frames. Until then I would assume the worst...

 

As MellishR eloquently pointed out it's not really the right thread. Judgements made in the 70s and 80s about Barry locos might be very different today based on the current experience and techniques. 48518 reputedly had a good boiler, firebox and tyres. Not a terrible starting point.

 

Rosy enough to merit further use on other locos though. Only the frames appear to have been scrapped.

 

The driving wheel tyres appeared to be almost new. She must have had an overhaul shortly before withdrawal.

Bob.

 

Just for the record, 48518 was built at Doncaster.

 

My apologies for the mistake of Eastern works. Thanks for the correction but still, I feel, historically valuable nonetheless.

 

Not with the time, money and facilities they have. If the two locos were donated to someone like Riley or Smith, or one of the bigger railways with full workshop facilites, there might be a chance.

Very true - owners tend to have vastly inflated ideas of the worth of their locos. They bought it for £x, spent £y on it, and years of time which they think is worth £z, so it must be worth all that plus inflation and more - whereas it's actually worth a big fat £0.