More 1930's and 40's paint schemes would be nice

If Spamcan81 is watching this thread, know that there is definitely support for your loco to wear this livery again

 

Dennis Howells' pannier 9466 was built by BR but ran in GWR livery until recently, likewise pannier 1638 on the K&ESR, although rather incongruously, it also had a BR-style Ashford shedplate on the front of the smokebox! In the late 1960s when BR livery was distinctly unpopular, 1638 was painted in GWR-style livery but with the words "Dart Valley" on the sides of the tank.

 

I'd imagine the reason 1638 carried Dart valley rather than BR carries the same reason why the KWVR had they're own livery to 41264 and the USA tank.

 

A decision has been made on her livery for the relaunch but we won't be going public until we have informed the membership in the next newsletter. Just as it was first time round, opinion in our ranks is divided.

 

If your at the clinic I think the fewer crabs the better...;-)

 

But in a fishmonger's shop, the more the merrier.

 

Caley 828 looks rather nice think its out of use at the mo though. I remember seeing it double headed through Arley with 4566 in GWR green on the Maroon Mk1 set totally unauthentic but I thought it looked like a 60's SLS tour with 4555. Whilst I do like BR green and Black, and I have nothing against pre nationalisation colours I always think it helps if you have the right stock, Green Arrow never did anything for me in Apple Green until I saw it on the Gresley teak set at the SVR. Likewise 13065 wont look quite right (to me) until I see it on the LMS set. (this is no criticsm btw this is just my own opinion)

 

I know what you mean and locos certainly look better if they have "matching stock" but more often than not you can drag out the old excuse that locos weren't painte dinto BR livery over night, I've heard stories of a few panniers keeping "GWR" on them well into the late '50s.

 

Not only that but rolling stock wasn't repainted overnight either. Mixed livery rakes were not uncommon.

 

As well as pulling off-company stock, of course. I've got photos of SR-liveried Maunsell moguls on a full rake of GWR stock; and a full rake of Gresley teaks - only need them on an LMS rake to complete the set, and I am sure it must have happened around the fringes of the S&D. Not to mention through workings of a carriage or two from one company working deep into the heart of another. As enthusiasts, I think people get too hung up on the "matching livery and stock" thing, rather than looking at photos of what actually heppened...

Tom

 

RC Riley's Great Western Album has a picture of 4628 taken in the Malvern area in the 1960s still in GWR livery!

 

Tom, I think your best bet for SR moguls on LMS stock would have been the through Saturday workings to Brighton/Eastbourne in the 1950s, some of which I guess were worked by Redhill crews. I'm not at home at the moment, but I think that Klaus Marx's Steam in the Sussex Landscape (a copy of which resides in my study) includes such a picture. Will check later on.

 

Presumably was repainted into BR livery though, and the old livery starting to show through as the paint wore through? There's a photo somewhere of a tender attached (I think) to a Manor in the early 1960s clearly showing GWR livery, but the engine was in BR livery with a smokebox door number.

Tom

 

You'd be surprised at what survived on locos or tenders. 76084 had the early BR logo on its tender throughout its BR life, as did one of the Clans. I have also seen a photo of a Jubilee with the same on its tender, taken in the 1960s.

 

7816 at Reading! I dont get too hung up about matching locos and stock I mean Regional Railways MK2s Choc/Cream Mk1s and EWS 37s are the memories from my teenage years. But for me when you can look at the right engine on the right stock say Leander on the LMS set, Bittern on the teaks I just think WOW! Then I tend to need a cold shower! I do think BR Carmine and cream looks great behind anything tho

 

Quite so. Have a nice pic of 34081 in the 50s on a full Gresley teak rake - BR livery - on a Margate to Leicester. I presume a few years back from that it would have been malachite and varnished teak.

 

Also the K1,, which frequently carries LNER livery despite being BR built, and the J27, which was built by the LNER but has spent most of its preservation career in NER livery.

 

Unlikely I think. Also BR livery is the correct livery for the condition of the locos as the chimneys are of the redesigned type fitted by BR. Plus the GW livery is duller than the BR as they weren't lined by GWR.

 

And the opposite also happened. I have a faint memory of seeing a rake of green Southern Region coaches coming through Bushey. That would have been in the early 50s on a train that might or might not still have been officially named the Sunny South Express. I don't know what the loco would have been, but probably not a southern one working through that far.

 

I think I'm right in saying that in the early days of Standard Gauge preservation the railways concerned were not allowed to use BR livery - hence the very quick removal of BR emblems, and the creation of "new" liveries on the Bluebell and KWVR. I don't think the ban lasted for long, and the Bluebell soon started repainting it's locos in pre-group liveries anyway. The irony for the Bluebell was that having very quickly painted its coaches blue, BR followed suit!

I remember the rainbow coloured trains of the Bluebell in the 60's and early 70's - it wasn't that nobody cared, so much as the fact that there were other more pressing matters in hand like buying the railway and keeping on top of maintenance.

I too, like others, like to see a variety of liveries, and the restoration of more pre-nationalisation (and pre-group) stock gives the opportunity to do this. And although I can't say it thrills me, fair play to the Epping Ongar Railway for restoring stock in Blue/Gray and Network Southeast liveries. I see a touch of maroon there as well (thankfully - somehow a green Prairie tank hauling a blue/gray mk2 doesn't quite seem right!).

Steve B