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BR 3mt 82006

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  1. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    I am just reading the 'Southern Way' special issue, No9, 'Scrapping the Southern'.
    On P27 there is a copy of a sales invoice from BR to Woodhams dated 3/11/66 confirming the sale of
    35009, 35027, 35029 and 82006 to Woodhams.
    What happened to the sale of the 3mt? (It was scrapped very soon after that date by Buttigiegs, Newport)
    Was it a case of delivery to the wrong place, as happened to 71000 and 75014?
    Any info appreciated.
     
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    Ooh, truly 'one that got away' - she would have been quickly snapped up by preservationists had she gone to Woodhams...
     
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    A number of years ago I bought a number of consignment labels detached from steam locos arriving in South Wales for scrap. Amongst those are labels from 31868, 34103 and 82010. The label for 82010 is marked “Woodham Bros. Barry”, so there maybe more than one 3MT that did not arrive where it should have done. Perhaps the label was removed too soon!!
     
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    Didn't the two Kings, Edd I and Edd II, go to another yard only for someone to look at the labels and realise they were meant to be a Barry. Maybe other locomotives had the same issue but wasn't corrected...
     
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    That's odd, the list at http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/barrysr.htm has 35009 in the Barry yard by Dec 1964, and 35010 arriving in Sep 66 along with 35027 and 35029.Wikipedia, which claims "The Southern Pacifics, Mannion" as a source agrees, whilst "The Original Bulleid Pacifics - Scott-Morgan" states 35009 wasn't withdrawn until July '67!
     
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    They were supposed to go to Briton Ferry but were overweight for the line, so were re-sold to Woodhams. The locos that went elsewhere (Cashmores, Newport) by mistake were 75014 and 71000.
     
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    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Apologies, I typed '09 instead of '10.
    Possibly the correspondence took a while to catch up?

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    image credit to the aforementioned publication.
     
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    Ah that explains that. Before I got diverted I was planning to look for any other locos that arrived at the same time as those 3, but I see no obvious candidates.
     
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    I wonder if Woodhams records were kept by anyone after they closed?
     
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    I don't think they have closed have they? Just out of the scrap business.
     
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    Didn't a few of those get transferred to Patricroft right at the end of steam on the Southern but they had no real work for them?
     
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    There is a brief history of the class on the 82045 website which says the last two in service were 82029 and 82019 based at Nine Elms. 82029 was the last to work a passenger turn on July 8th 1967 when taken off Waterloo station pilot duties to cover for a failed locomotive on the 07.18 to Salisbury as far as Basingstoke. 82003, 82031 and 82034 were stored at Patricroft for some time after withdrawal but eventually went to Cashmores at Newport. Unfortunately no mention of the fate of 82006 though.

    http://www.82045.org.uk/82045_history.html
     
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    According to the RCTS records 82006 was wihdrawn from Nine Elms on 18/9/66 and sold to J.Buttigieg, Newport in Dec '66.
    Ray.
     
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    Sorry, I should have phrased that differently. It did end up at Buttigiegs as you say, the question being why that happened after BR had apparently accepted an offer from Woodhams for it as illustrated above.

    Maybe Dai Woodham changed his mind - it was only £10 less than a Merchant Navy and there's probably a bit more meat on one of those...
     
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    But no copper firebox.
     
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    The prices would have been tendered by Woodhams; I doubt they would be able to withdraw a bid that had been accepted and still be eligible to tender in future sales?
     
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    Well Woodhams certainly bought more locos after that time, while 82006 ended up elsewhere. I'm not sure the terms of that letter mean a contract had been established that couldn't be ended by one party or the other - 'subject to the terms and conditions' could include all sorts of things. If Woodhams didn't achieve it by withdrawing the offer, they may have done a deal with Buttigiegs for them to take it instead - I don't imagine BR would have been concerned so long as somebody bought it.

    I notice Woodhams offered £2,000 in November 1966, while the 82045 article suggests BR were asking only £1,500 for one of the Patricroft ones in 1968. No idea if that was down to market conditions or some other reason, but quite a difference.
     
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    The price difference could be down to BR including delivery costs in some contracts but not in others.
     
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    Everything is cheaper north of Watford.
     
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