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Flying Scotsman

Rasprava u 'Steam Traction' pokrenuta od 73129, 24. Kolovoz 2010..

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  1. paullad1984

    paullad1984 Member

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    Friend reported her as passing through Carlisle heading south yesterday.
     
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  2. 35B

    35B Nat Pres stalwart

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    A lot of coaching stock isn't buckeye fitted - going back to pre-Pendolino days, I remember being surprised that the class 86 & 87 weren't buckeye fitted, despite working push-pull.
     
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    Bikermike Well-Known Member

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    I thought all mark 1s had buckeyes from the outset?
    I can understand that it wasn't going to be used, but I'm surprised it's not there at all
     
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    5944 Resident of Nat Pres

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  5. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

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    Assume you have never witnessed TPE trying to couple two 185's who don't want to talk to each other. The approach seems to be to batter them together with ever increasing ferocity until I assume whatever is refusing to connect does connect, and if that doesn't work I have seen them bring out.... the lump of wood!
     
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  6. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

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    They did. I assume it was removed with the balcony conversion as it would never be coupled to another coach, always being at the end. Part of the buffing system with buckeyed stock is in the corridor connection, so with that removed, you couldn't couple with buckeyes safely even if you wanted to.
     
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  7. flying scotsman123

    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Our rulebook says if it doesn't go after 2 tries, give up and report it as deffective.
     
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    If in doubt, give it a clout. Standard railway operating practice!
     
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  9. Gladiator 5076

    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    And or a kick surely:)
     
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  10. Sam 60103

    Sam 60103 Member

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  11. guycarr360

    guycarr360 Part of the furniture

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  12. GWR4707

    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

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  13. class8mikado

    class8mikado Part of the furniture

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    Hardly good news for the Royal Scotsman set but dont expect many tears will be shed...
     
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  14. Roger_C

    Roger_C New Member

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    Only Mk1 corridor stock had Buckeyes, non-corridor suburban stock did not.
     
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  15. Steve

    Steve Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    As Alex haas said you need a gangway to use a buckeye, specifically a Pullman gangway. That’s one reason why only the LNER corridor tenders had them. Their near non-corridor cousins had screw couplings. I could never understand why first generation DMUs had BS standard gangways and screw couplings instead of Pullman gangways and buckeyes but there will be a reason.
     
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  16. Steve

    Steve Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Is that what they were doing, testing the crash worthiness of the modified coach?;)
     
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  17. 61624

    61624 Part of the furniture

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    True up to a point, I think, but some Class 33 and even some departmental coaches (the LNERCA scrapped an electrification test coach [DE041305] thus fitted) that had no gangways but were fitted with or retained the lower buffing plate portion of the gangway together with buckeye. 33 108 on the SVR was one, for example. I'm a bit surprised the Royal Scotsman balcony coach didn't retain a similar arrangement, although as so few locos have buckeyes I don't suppose it mattered.
     
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  18. twr12

    twr12 Well-Known Member

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    Steve
    A reason why almost all 1st generation DMUs did not have buckeye couplings, is that the bogies are very close to the end of the underframe. Therefore there is no space for the double acting drawbar spring unit and dragbox. Which would foul the top of the bogie frame and probably the brake cylinder too.
     
    twr12, 6. Listopad 2023.
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  19. johnofwessex

    johnofwessex Resident of Nat Pres

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    I believe it was also intended that they would haul trailing loads to a much greater extent than they actually did
     
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  20. The Green Howards

    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    My understanding was that all the crash resistance of a Mk. 1 was in its chassis, not the bodywork which is why corrosion can be such an issue for them - but I could be wrong.
     
    The Green Howards, 6. Listopad 2023.
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