RTC 2024

See post 208 on the WCME thread. We could do with a lesson from @Romsey on how the delay system works for charter trains, does capping work in both directions etc.

 

Depends who was responsible for the points failure. Was it a Network Rail problem, or was it caused (as has been mentioned in various places) by the driver of 86259 misreading the signals and running through a point the wrong way? If the latter, then several coaches and a lot of taxis from Crewe at that time of night is going to cost WCRC a fair old whack.

Incidentally, my latest arrival home after a railtour was late morning Sunday, rather than about 10pm on the Saturday night! Very frustrating being stuck on Durham viaduct in the dark watching all the southbound services go past.

 

The coaches will have been paid for by either WCRC (as the train operator) or RTC (as the promoter), depending on what was agreed between them. That cost may be covered by insurance, and then may also be recouped through the Delay Attribution process (in this case, that will be complex given events of the morning).

 

I'll work on it. Somewhere I should be able to find an "executive summary". The full DA manual is a large document and makes the national network Rule Book or a Sectional Appendix look like a light read.

Cheers, Neil

 

5944 has got to the core of DA - who was to blame for the delays. Driver error like misreading a signal is definitely the TOC unless the driver was authorised to pass a signal at danger or a stopboard by NR staff, then it is down to NR.

Cheers, Neil

 

Indeed, but considering how regularly Avanti decide to just down tools and cancel everything north from Preston, one would expect them to have call off contracts in place to get people home, there was that recent case where Avanti were unable to source coaches to get a load of school kids back to Scotland from Preston (can't put kids in Taxi's unaccompanied for safeguarding reasons), yet strangely the staff with the kids managed it themselves.

 

That can be down to one of two things:

Firstly, approved list of companies of which to call upon.

Secondly, cost. Under the current runnings in Westminster, numerous budgets relating to the railways have been slashed and hands tied in terms to what money can be spent, to what degree, and where. Often what the railway is then in a position to pay, isn't enough to encourage a private hire bus company or their employees to come out on adhoc. Likewise, there is no money available to pay bus companies to remain on standby to the whim of the railway, effectively spare until needed.

 

Train Operating Companies, including charter operators; are required to have contingency plans in the case of disruption.

They hold contracts with bus/coach replacement providers, such as this one:-

Rail Transport Services & Support | First Travel Solutions

I have not connection with this outfit, I just know it exists.

 

Although the situation at Preston is being discussed, I believe the CME would not have been there at that time and possibly avoided the points failure if its departure off Southall hadn’t been 40+ minutes late with consequent late departure off Euston from which it never recovered. Was that an NR or WCR issue?

 

PS My friend received a full refund plus extras.

 

Not sure on that one. It was in the platform 20 minutes before it booked departure time. 20/20 hindsight would have been to have put the electric on the back and go with the 47 on the front, could have left more or less on time and the bulk of this would be irrelevant. I can't comment on what has been offered as my letter hasn't arrived yet. Royal mail strikes again!

 

All a kick on from the initial issues with the 86 and the need to get a second 47 out from behind some stock at Southall in case the 86 could not be fixed was it not?

 

Thanks for that, it explains a lot. RTT has the ecs as not arriving at Euston til 06:53 nearly quarter of an hour after departure time which differs from the report of "20 minutes before departure", hence my comment of not recovering the loss during the day. My friend spoke to Les Ross about the component failure but E-lok issues are a bit beyond my steam age understanding.

 

Given the current situation with WCRC and the CDL system.

Does anyone know if RTC will be able to run there full programme in the summer was thinking of doing the Waverley and the Atlantic Coast Express but just don't want to book and few weeks leading up to the tours being told it's cancelled because they couldn't use MK1 or get any MK2 as they were used on another tour.

Or is it simply the case just book and hope it'll run with whatever stock they have at the time.

Thanks

 

I guess you are far from alone. I'd say the mist will clear soon after Easter when it becomes apparent how WCR are resourcing the Jacobite and the GBXV and the Northern Belle. Then we see what rabbits have been pulled out of what hats at what speed. But my risk/reward calculation might be different from yours!

 

Looks like a NR issue
2P07 0543 Reading - Paddington was cancelled for reason IS - Track and a few Crossrail trains started short or terminated short at Paddington in the early morning.
So if the reason is the stock was late from Southall, and the delay wasn't recovered, the delay goes back to the track defect at Southall.

Thinking back to the Delay Attribution thread, there will be lots of delays across the network attributed to the failure. ( There may have been a few which were wrongly attributed to Southall. Hopefully they were disputed. as not appropriate.)

Cheers, Neil

 

The complication would be the involvement of NR in a decision to take the diesel because of concern over the health of the 86.

 

Refer to Level 2 attribution, but if NR made that decision it would using information from WCRC.
My understanding is that NR rarely, if ever, make decisions about rolling stock apart from safety of the line issues.

Cheers, Neil