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Strathspey Railway

Rasprava u 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' pokrenuta od steam_mad, 30. Listopad 2015..

  1. Lineisclear

    Lineisclear Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps, but the tragedy is that exercising it only serves to damage the railway they presumably want to see succeed.
     
  2. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    but equally how bad must things be that this is the recourse .

    I've said before that from observation some lines are run as individuals fiefdoms . We've read terrible things that have been done to volunteers for disagreeing with leaders . I can't say this is the case at Aviemore but something has gone horribly horribly wrong .
     
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  3. jonathonag

    jonathonag Well-Known Member

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    What would you suggest otherwise?

    I would imagine it more akin to strike action. A method only taken, as a last resort, because all other reasonable avenues have been attempted and failed.
     
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  4. twr12

    twr12 Well-Known Member

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    Mandy Rice-Davies rules.

    Well, you would (say that) wouldn’t you John?
     
  5. ghost

    ghost Part of the furniture

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    And equally, directors who stubbornly cling to power in the face of opposition from the workforce (volunteer & paid) can be seen as equally damaging to the railway.
    Or does it only work one way in your mind?
     
  6. Lineisclear

    Lineisclear Well-Known Member

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    No, but the directors are appointed by , and can only be removed by, the shareholders. I would always defend pressure on them from the workforce which is the right way to effect change.
     
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  7. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    I suspect though to a significant extent, in many heritage railways the shareholders and the workers have considerable overlap.

    In any case, even if you are the most ardent free-market capitalist, a business in which the workforce is significantly disaffected ought to serve as a warning sign to the shareholders that all might not be well with the leaders they have elected. If nothing else, a disaffected workforce is not a recipe for delivering long-term shareholder value, whether that value would be expressed as stable dividends (in a conventional company) or delivery of heritage objectives in a heritage railway context.

    Tom
     
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  8. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    What do you do though when you’ve tried to effect change ‘the right way’ and nothings happened though?
    Some people feel they’ve been backed into a corner and this their only option, I’m guessing things have been festering for a while, it’s hardly like a whole group woke up this morning and thought ‘hey you know what? I really fancy going on strike today do you?’
     
  9. ghost

    ghost Part of the furniture

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    So the workforce who provide the service/produce the product can't possibly have the intelligence to know when things are being mismanaged?
    That's a very arrogant and ignorant position to take.
     
  10. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    Festering a while maybe, but I suspect the Scotsman incident may have focused minds. Note the reference to decline in safety and accusations of people not following their own rules and procedures.
    Be interesting what the RAIB conclusions are and whether they back this up.
     
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  11. steam_mad

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    Or the Directors can resign themselves; I gather was the hope when the SRC Board was presented with the no confidence letter and then again at the meeting this week.

    I understand the SRC Board has either lost or been been made aware of the intention to resign by the holder of several key posts in recent weeks at both senior management and Board level, as well as significant number of operational staff, all of which will be critical to the safe and compliant operation of a heritage railway. At what point - by not resigning - do the Directors breach their fiduciary duty to the Company if they are unable to recruit individuals with suitable competencies to replace those lost because they will not offer services under their leadership?

    Andrew

    (armchair member of the Strathspey Railway Association without enough interaction with those in charge to comment on the validity of the claims / effectiveness of the current Board and who was as taken aback as most others this week when the news filtered out!)
     
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    Paul Grant Well-Known Member

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    So this is the SRC Board rather than the Association the issue is with?
     
  13. jonathonag

    jonathonag Well-Known Member

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    That is correct.
     
  14. 35B

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    In a conventional commercial business, I’d agree. But in a volunteer based organisation, I’d be cautious about that line.

    I’m reminded of traditional naval practice in response to mutiny. Once the mutineers had been dealt with, it was normal that the officer subject to the mutiny would find their career effectively over. Part of their role was to lead their ship, and mutiny demonstrated their inability to lead their crew.


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  15. Dead Sheep

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    It sounds as though the Strathspey need a Robin Coombes or at the very least, readhis research on sustainability and governance on heritage railways.
     
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  16. Johnb

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    I can think of one or two railways that could do with a Robin Coombes. I don’t know how he’s getting on with the volunteers and staff at the K&ESR but he’s certainly good for publicity, hardly a day goes by without a Facebook update of what’s going on.
     
  17. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    the challenge though is that it is not quite as democratic as you suggest as often the chair holds sufficient proxy votes to stop most actions . we saw this in Somerset on repeat . Direct action can become the only route
     
  18. Breva

    Breva Well-Known Member

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    Happened during a shareholder meeting at the GWSR.
    The room voted against a proposal, whereupon the chairman got out his proxies from the absentees - proposal carried after all :(
     
  19. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    perfect example bringing us back to the broader point of chairs not listening and carrying decisions that are personal to them but not necessarily in the best interests of the railway and its community.
     
  20. Bikermike

    Bikermike Well-Known Member

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    So the wishes of the proxies don't count?
    Counter-argument is that a minority showed up at the AGM to force an issue on the shareholders.

    A feature of shareholding is that every share (of the relevant class) has equal weight. This may give rise to a perception of unfairness to those who put the work in, and equally, how many complaints on here have we seen about difficulty of getting to AGMs/shareholders being ignored?
     

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