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Ukraine ?

Rasprava u 'Diesel & Electric Traction' pokrenuta od used2be, 30. Studeni 2022..

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  1. used2be

    used2be New Member

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    As Ukraine is suffering with a power black-out,
    Would it make any sense to send unwanted Diesel-electric locomotives as generators ?
    Or is this a silly idea ?
     
    used2be, 30. Studeni 2022.
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  2. Greenway

    Greenway Part of the furniture

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    No need to send them if there already unused diesel loco already in mainland Europe.
     
    Greenway, 30. Studeni 2022.
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    Romsey Part of the furniture

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    johnofwessex Resident of Nat Pres

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    The Ukraine is mostly Russian Gauge so it would not be possible to move them into most of the Country that easily.

    On a number of occasions 47's were used to provide power in wait for it power stations, I believe to replace faulty exciters
     
    johnofwessex, 30. Studeni 2022.
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  5. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    Fine as long as they required DC.
     
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  6. marshall5

    marshall5 Part of the furniture

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  7. Johann Marsbar

    Johann Marsbar Well-Known Member

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    Ex London vehicles operated in Yugoslavia for many years without any problem and even some Plymouth double-deckers ended up in Warsaw just after the end of WW2 !
    Presumably the biggest problem in the Ukraine at the moment is the size of the trolleybus operations (and to a lesser extent, trams) in the Country, which are unable to operate if the electric supply system is being destroyed.
     
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  8. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    Drive them backwards ...

    Tom
     
    Jamessquared, 30. Studeni 2022.
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  9. The Green Howards

    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    Would sending them paraffin heaters as winter deepens be a better idea? It gets damned cold in Ukraine in winter.
     
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  10. Copper-capped

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    Angle grinder…
     
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  11. 61624

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    Even though the Ukraine gauge is different, it would surely not be difficult or lengthy to mount the bodies on a crude, purpose-built low-loader - they don't have to be moved by rail?
     
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  12. used2be

    used2be New Member

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    So assuming they need AC - what else would be needed ?
     
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  13. The Green Howards

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    Most modern traction is 3-phase AC. The issue is that it's not 50 Hz.
     
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    Mrcow Member

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  15. Mrcow

    Mrcow Member

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    [​IMG]

    I've linked the image because I can't be bothered to rehost it, but in this photo M420W 3502 is on a road, not on track.

    I can't help thinking that Ukraine can manage these things on its own without some shonky British locos to help though :Joyful:
     
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  16. Martin Perry

    Martin Perry Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator Friend

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    An inverter.
     
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  17. The Green Howards

    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    Ultimately, why send a box with 66 xxx on the side when you can send a box with Aggreko* on the side. The difference being is that the latter is much more usable.

    *Other large generator hire companies are available.
     
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    Mrcow se sviđa ovo.
  18. 61624

    61624 Part of the furniture

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    This is a genuine question, to which I don't know the answer - how common are industrial generators with an output equivalent to that of a diesel loco? I cant imagine they are particularly common.
     
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  19. The Green Howards

    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    Picking Aggreko as an example, their largest generator in a container appears to be 1200kVA.

    I'm interested in the work one company does that seems to take redundant locomotive equipment and turn them into generators - I believe that the IDRS have experience with them.
     
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  20. 61624

    61624 Part of the furniture

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    For simple souls like me, what does a type 4 diesel produce in kVA terms?
     
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