MNR - Wagon Queries

Hi Guys
I have a few queries on the MNR wagon stock. I tried to contact the MNR but have received no replies.
From recent visit reports several of the engineering stock seems to have vanished. These are still on the MNR website stocklist so may be hidden out of public view, not sure where that could be though?
This includes all the Dogfish... 983003, 983582, 983620, 983913, 993116, 993218, 993451 & 993580. Also Shark 993717.
A few others not noted this year. 269, a 4w flat ex RNAD. 741549, a BR pipefit.
A new arrival is a BR Brakevan 95xxxx I/d unknown. This is in addition to the known vans at the MNR & Hardingham.
As an aside can anyone confirm if the BR mk3 coach 11024 has now been scrapped as 10213 has taken its place.
Any help or confirmation on the above appreciated.
Cheers
Steve

 

Hi Steve

A lot of the engineering stock is currently at Thuxton for work on the loop. I'm sorry but I can't positively ID which wagons are there but on the weekend of 12/13 June there were six dogfish, the shark and two mermaids - these photos (not mine) http://geoffsangliaphotos.fotopic.net/p65398228.html and http://geoffsangliaphotos.fotopic.net/p65398232.html - show the formation. The MNR website also only has six dogfish, which ties in with the number at Thuxton, http://www.mnr.org.uk/stock/other/ - 983582 and 983620 aren't listed.
With regards to the coaches I can only point you to this photo - http://geoffsangliaphotos.fotopic.net/p65398236.html - but numbers not known.

Simon

 

Hi Simon
Thanks for your reply. I think I'll remove the dogfish from my lists. Although you mention they are not on the MNR stocklist there are several wagons confirmed there that are not on the MNR stocklist! I think your photo's of the 'six' is evidence enough to remove the other two.
The coach photo ties in with 10213, ex Cargo D and the two mk2 from Wenslydale. I believe the FO 11024 was in the same area so I assume this has now left/scrapped.
Cheers
Steve

 

I can't give a positive ID but a BR Pipe wagon creeps in on a photo I took from the train window, of one of the class 31s in the siding at Dereham, earlier in the year. So if they only claim to have one, it might well be that one.

 

Just found this wikipedia page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_stock_of_the_Mid-Norfolk_Railway - with a whole load more info on MNR stock - might be some use to confirm what is currently there. I note that this does differ to the MNR stocklist!

Simon

 

Yes Simon, this does seem to give a better picture, although there are still a few missing 'confirmed' items. Also the two missing Dogfish 983582, 983620 are now confirmed at the East Somerset Railway.
Steve

 

Bestie I replyed on that palvan we have at whitwell, and we had a mermaid delivered from MNR DB989644 I think the number is.

 

Hi dman-lewis
I did pick up on that and added to notes for the Palvan, - b/o fixed to unknown u/f. Did you manage to find out where this came from? Reason being if I have this listed elsewhere it means I have duplicated the same wagon.
You're building a collection of wagons at Whitwell now. I'll move the Mermaid across from the MNR. This should (?) be 989344 rather than 644.
Cheers
Steve

 

Yes its a 3, I took a picture in case you asked me. Just Its hard to see the 3.
I will find out that aswell, to my list.

 

We dont know where it came from. Im guessing we'll know soon.

 

Hi Dman-lewis.
This palvan is proving quite a mystery. Someone else has suggested this came from Chatham but I have no record of a palvan being there, which doesn't mean there definately wasn't one! Perhaps they confused this info with 'Annie' from Chatham?
The only palvan I have listed with a non original underframe is an ex MOD example at the MHR, WGB4134, original I/d unknown. This was in olive livery and as far as I know is still there. So this could well be one I didn't know about to begin with or one I didn't know had a non original u/f.
There are no doubt a few surprises out there. Totally of topic I've recently found a pig farm in Cambridgeshire with a whopping 32 BR van bodies. Ariel images from 2 years ago show no sign of these. This begs the question of where the hell did they come from since then!
Steve

 

Yes hang on wait.... I think I can remember some one saying that it did come from the same plase as annie, It was suppose to have spares for her but didnt.

Wow thats a mystery, go have a look.

 

Hi Steve:

Yes it is still there and is on our list to restore next year.

Regards
Chris:

 

Sory I haven't been following this properly, but what determines that these Palvans have non-original underframes? Palvans are relatively common so I can't see why anyone would bother to re-wheel a grounded body.

Some were built new for the Army, these have the advantage of stamped numbers on the underframe (registration numbers in the 185xxx series) but translating these into later Army numbers is tricky, especially the WGB series where some numbers were applied to more than one vehicle.

I've never found a stamped number on a BR one but that might just be a Wolverton thing. "B771908" at the GCR is an ex-BR Palvan which passed to the Army before preservation, we know its later Army numbers but the BR number currently carried is fictitious (it isn't a Palvan number) - but the owner insists that the Army gave him this number when he bought it, so it's a mistake in the Army records. I have a theory that it could be "B781908" i.e. one digit recorded incorrectly, but this is only a guess. If someone could tell me whether and where Wolverton stamped their numbers I could sort this out - it's definitely a Wolverton-built one, there are detail differences which pin this down. It's been driving me mad for about the last 3 years...

Sorry for taking the thread off topic...
Phil