Hughes & Stanier 'Crabs'

Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

The locos were given the nickname ‘Crabs’

This first collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ in the LMS 1926-1933 numbering

This collection includes now preserved 13000
13000 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/bdbzw3v4
and in the NRM now
https://tinyurl.com/5x2jcku7

Full collection of over 65 photos starts here with
13004
https://tinyurl.com/2s4d4kvw
to
13225
https://tinyurl.com/27sjadfy

Neil

 

55 / 67 = Pert South [duplicates 54 / 67

 

It seems to have been a short term misdemeanour by the spotting fraternity. Mostly they were known as Stanier Crabs or simply Crabs by enginemen, same as the Horwich 2-6-0s.

 

Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

This first collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ in the LMS post 1933 numbering 2700-2944

Including double Crabs
2820 & 2756 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/2p8sa35t

Full collection of over 60 photos starts here with
2703 at Horwich works March 1938
https://tinyurl.com/3shhdec5
to
2941 Camden 1938
https://tinyurl.com/yc3v6u42

Neil

 

2 / 62 = Leicester Midland shed

37 / 62 = Ellenbrook [duplicates 36 / 62

 

96/301 is London St Pancras , Looks like 42744 is about to take a Midland line relief train away .300/301 is Wellingboro', with number 2 roundhouse in the background ,42825 ,one of the Reidinger poppet valve engines .This 17B Burton on Trent loco' ,is almost certainly on a class C fully fitted Burton beer train to Sommers town(St Pancras )
Our band of spotters called the 2700 to 2944 loco's crabs ,and the 2945 to 2964 loco's Stanier crabs. The 2700 to 2944 loco's were known by loco men also as Crabs ,because of the way they waddled along crab like. Different areas of enthusiasts had different names for loco' classes ,we called Black 5s Stanier's ,to local loco men they were number 5 s .It wasn't until a Northampton spotter started coming over ,I heard the name Black 5s.

 

Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

This collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ 42700-42729 Built Horwich 1926/1927 in the B.R era
Including this colour photo by Tony Gillett of Preston shed
42715, Black 5 44907 & Royal Scot 46168 Preston shed 1st July 1961 ( Tony Gillett)
https://tinyurl.com/5n92axes

Full collection of over 45 photos starts here with
42700 Liverpool Exchange (Tony Gillett) 16th February 1965
https://tinyurl.com/3tnx785u
to
42728
https://tinyurl.com/yxmb7pdt

Neil

 

3/45 and 4/45 are same image but different locations ???

15 / 45 = Worcester shed

27 / 45 = Mansfield Town [duplicates 26 / 45

43 / 45 = Rose Grove ?

 

Collection of photos of Stanier 2-6-0 Moguls

The London Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS) Stanier Class 5 2-6-0 or Stanier Mogul is a class of 2-6-0 mixed traffic steam locomotives. Forty were built between October 1933 and March 1934.

Although all built at Crewe Works, they were designed at Horwich Works and were developed from the Horwich Mogul, the LMS Hughes Crab 2-6-0. They had the addition of several features brought over from the Great Western Railway by newly arrived Chief Mechanical Engineer William Stanier, most notably the taper boiler (Stanier would have been familiar with the GWR 4300 Class). In an effort to please Stanier, Horwich had designed a GWR style top-feed cover and locomotive 13245 appeared with the feature fitted. Stanier was not at all pleased, ordering it promptly removed and replaced with the normal LMS cover.
Due to a higher boiler pressure than the Crabs the cylinders were 3" smaller in diameter and so the cylinders were able to be mounted horizontally: the only Stanier design to do so. Like the Crabs they were connected to a Fowler tender that was narrower than the locomotive. When built the first ten locomotives had no water pick-up gear fitted to their tenders.
They were initially numbered 13245–13284 (following on from the Crabs), but as standard locomotives, in the LMS 1933 renumbering scheme they were renumbered 2945–2984 in 1934 (the Crabs becoming 2700–2944). BR added 40000 to their numbers so they became 42945–42984. They were always painted black, and this was lined out except during the austere periods of the 1940s and towards the end of steam.

This collection features the Pre-1934 LMS Numbering 13245–13284
Including this photo of
13279 in company of 2 former LNWR locos unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/yfunh26k

Full collection of 17 photos starts here with
13245 at Crewe works
https://tinyurl.com/4shtx74d
to
13283 at Crewe
https://tinyurl.com/4bkvb4x2

Neil

 

1/17 shows the GWR style safety valve bonnet which so displeased Stanier, and was replaced before the engine entered traffic.
2/17 shows the replacement cover, applied to the first ten engines.
5/17 Crewe South shed
6/17 Edge Hill shed
11/17 Crewe, probably South, shed

 

Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

This collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ 42730-42809 Built Crewe 1926-1929
Including this scrapyard photo of 42765 (now preserved seen here at Barry scrapyard? possibly?)
https://tinyurl.com/23dhhr57

100 photos starts here with
42733
https://tinyurl.com/2j3cbbz2
to
42803
https://tinyurl.com/27wv8ryf

Neil

 

12/100 = Dalmellington branch

15 / 100 = Nottingham Midland

39 / 100 = 42782 not 42762

61/100 + 62/100 = Same location but different titles; which is correct ??

63/100 = Lancaster Green Ayre

64 / 100 = St Pancras

80 / 100 = Loughborough Midland

 

Collection of photos of Stanier 2-6-0 Moguls

This collection features the Post-1934 LMS Number 2945-2984
Including this photo of
2955 rolling onto Carlisle Upperby turntable 21st June 1937
https://tinyurl.com/2p834avs

Full collection of 28 photos starts here with
2946 Speke Jct
https://tinyurl.com/6zecka6v
To
2984 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/3tum347v

Neil

 

Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

This collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ 42810-42849 Built Horwich 1929/1930

Including this colour photo of
42849 Lostock Hall 12th May 1965 (Tony Gillett)
https://tinyurl.com/mw9r668j

Full collection of 55 photos starts here with
42810
https://tinyurl.com/2s3bfbvb
To
42847
https://tinyurl.com/yck8ne38

Neil

 

5/55 = Water Orton - freight from Nuneaton direction to Washwood Heath ?

28 / 55 = Wellingborough ?

33 / 55 = Sheffield Midland

36 / 55 = York [duplicates 37/55

 

Collection of photos of Stanier 2-6-0 Moguls

This collection features 42945-42957. 42960 & 42963 built 1933 in the B.R era

Including these photos of
42954 Wigan Springs Branch c1966 alongside bigger brother 45267
https://tinyurl.com/2umc9mvy
https://tinyurl.com/4jwnh4j4

Full collection of over 30 photos starts here with
42945 with leading driving wheels removed Rugby shed
https://tinyurl.com/5fd4khkj
to
42960 Northampton shed 14th April 1963
https://tinyurl.com/3kzbr67h

Neil

 

11 / 31 = Horwich Works [duplicates 12 / 31

14 / 31 = Langcliffe ?

 

22 / 31 Swindon Works