Missing wagon 1

Hello,
New thread as my last one now seems to be about locomotives!:-0


This GWR Loriot is missing according the the VCT.


http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=10685
Any on of the GWSR. Know better?.

One of many missing vehicles I hope!,,,,:-( /!


Happy mood today!

Nick

 

If it's on the GWSR probably in Hunting Butts tunnel if they don't know where it is, no one really knew what was in there until a few weeks ago! Some of them were dragged up as far as Winchcombe, might have been one of them, but they've probably gone to Toddington and beyond now. I'll put it on my list of things to look for Nick, you really should come and visit, all these questions about dead stock on the GWSR!

Edit - what would make them change it to "unknown" in the first place, surely it would just stay as "at GWSR" until anyone knew better for certain?

 

I did a full "audit" of everything on the Glos-Warks last year and 42355 was not anywhere on the line, including the tunnel or the siding north of Toddington. It could be at Wishaw, where a number of other vehicles that left the Glos-Warks are stored.

 

Are you really saying that those in charge of the GWSR do not have an accurate listing of what rolling stock is located on their railway and its precise location if not in use on that day? You probably are, as this appears to be the case with many railways. Lack of such knowledge stores up allsorts of problems for the future I can assure you especially when a clear-out is planned to take place.

When a friend, who is no longer with us, took other management of one of the major heritage railways he asked for such a list. There wasn't one! It then took him considerable time and effort to not only compile one, but to establish who owned everything and especially with regard to rolling stock not owned by the railway the agreements etc that applied. This opened a can of worms I can assure you! No one knew who owned some vehicles whilst others appeared to have been donated to the railway but no signed documents to that effect could be found. The railway had various obligations to some that had not been complied with whilst owners had not complied with theirs or could not even be traced. Some vehicles clearly no longer had a place on the railway but getting them removed can often be a herculean task. If the owner cannot be traced/contacted various costs will be incurred in getting to a position where the vehicle can be considered 'abandoned' and thus becomes the property of the railway to do as they wish with. Then, even if something can be safely disposed of, the battle to convince the railways 'armchair' supporters has to be fought.

Obviously a former director of the GWSR brought a plethora of vehicles to the railway over the years but does the railway or he know exactly what these were and were arrangements anything more than verbal. I suspect that behind the scenes this is slowly being untangled judging by the number of vehicles departing recently with connections to the gentleman concerned.

The VCT tend to put Present Location as 'UNKNOWN' if they believe a vehicle still exists but do not know where. They then usually give details of the previous location in Notes if known.

 

Apparently we do Peter, if you see the message above! I haven't seen in, and I'm in C+W, and even our workshop manager is unsure on a few of the more obscure wrecks. I'd be interested to see it and to see how detailed it is, whether it is VCT standard or literally just a number and what it is, and also, relating to another discussion, whether we know who owns everything. If it's not owned by the railway it's probably Mr Goodman though!

 

As NPCCS often gets treated as wagon stock it might be worth asking here whether anyone knows the whereabouts of two such items that appear to no longer be present at the GWSR.

BR Mark 1 BG 81614 - 92198 http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=3812 It appears that this left the railway at least two years ago. But to where? The fact it is from GRC&W built Lot 30725, certain members of which were found to contain 'blue' asbestos, suggests disposal to a scrap yard licensed to handle such material would have been likely.

LNWR CCT 12196 - 4183 - 36986 - DM395358 http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=603 When photographed in 2014 this was tarpaulined over and by the looks of it, located at Toddington. This suggests it may well have been being made ready for a movement away. Previous locations of Swanage and Radstock suggest connections with other locomotives and rolling stock now located at the Vale of Berkeley Railway but was not seen there on a recent visit.

Any information about present locations / disposal of these two vehicles would be welcomed.

 

A sighting appeared on Departmentals.com http://www.departmentals.com/ recently suggesting S&T Staff Van DW262 (formerly GWR Goods Brake Van 17711) http://www.departmentals.com/departmental/262 (VCT http://www.ws.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=9034 ) had been seen at the GWSR Certainly a vehicle matching its description was located in Toddington yard at the weekend. No sightings of this vehicle in the last ten years have been submitted to Departmentals so if it is DW262 at Toddington it could well have arrived some time ago.

A problem with this vehicle is that it is difficult to identify as it has not carried a number for at least thirty years and as a consequence is open to miss-identification. As far as I can establish it was first preserved at Ashchurch in the 1970s before moving to Toddington and then to the Dean Forest Railway in 1988. A very comprehensive Dean Forest Stock list produced in 1990 showed ownership as 'Barclay Group' who also owned Andrew Barclay 0-4-o ST 2221/1946 'Devonport Dockyard no. 2' which had also previously been located at Ashchurch and Toddington. I am not sure of the current location of the Andrew Barclay.

Can anyone confirm that DW262 is indeed now located at Toddington and if so provide an approximate date of arrival?

 

I'm pretty certain that the LNWR van has left the railway. I thought it was bound for sharpness, but I hadn't heard that it had arrived. It may have gone to Wishaw?

I think I know the wagon you're on about at toddington, is that the one that's viewable from the train on the siding roughly opposite the signal box? I'll try and get a look at it next time I'm around and look for any clues on the metal work which may help.

PS were you one of the folk I took round Winchcombe yard yesterday?

 

The SVR wiki grew out of an attempt to compile a complete stock list for the Severn Valley Railway.
Despite trying to use as many reference sources as possible to create http://www.svrwiki.com/Goods_Wagons, it was surprising how the odd wagon kept getting "found" and added to the list for some time afterwards.

 

I compiled the first published list of rolling stock for the 813Fund back in the 1990's. That took a few years to include all the vehicles.
As wagons keep being moved around or quietly scrapped it is a nightmare trying to have an up to date list.


N

 

I think this went for scrap as the buyer was only interested in the bogies. IIRC we had about 2-3 hours after confirmation from the buyer that we could take off anything we needed. I think, along with a few other bits, we got about three windows out of it and 5 doors. 2x double doors and a single. Due to the limited time, we didn't even bother to try to remove the right hand door hinges, which we needed. We just angle grindered around the body hinge mounts and then removed them later.

One of the right hand doors is currently being used to keep the weather out of 34929 whilst the door for that vehicle is being restored.

 

BR Mark 1 BG 81614 - 92198 http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=3812

Thanks Ken. This certainly is what I would of thought was the case. Presumably from what you say it was removed from site by road for bogie removal and scrapping and once the lorry arrived striping had to stop. Obviously the question remains as to where it was scrapped so any clues would be most welcomed. If the purchaser is known that would help as it is quite possibly someone we have contact with.

I know many feel that once a vehicle is scraped it doesn't matter anymore and that knowing where and when things were scraped is irrelevant. However, their are many enthusiasts who are interested in such things and of course having the information easily available can be very useful when later queries arise. For this reason both the VCT http://www.vintagecarriagestrust.org/ and RCTS http://www.rcts.org.uk/features/carriages/index.htm?id=carriages/preservationdisposals are striving to have such information available for all. Both groups work closely together for the benefit of all.

 

This thread should refer to vehicle 81614-92199 and not 81613-92198 which was cut up at MoD Caerwent on 17th October 2007 by the scrap merchant J.T.Lanscapes

All the best
John Hall