The Loco You'd Love To Put A Match To

0-4-0+0-4-0 ? Not National Collection, I know, but one I'd really like to see in steam.

 

Garratt K1?

 

Steve said standard gauge, but pretty close.

 

Don't think there are any SG Garratts in UK preservation.

 

Just the one. William Francis, which I think is still at Bressingham.

So, 2-2-4T has been mentioned. I can't think of any 2-2-2 locos steaming in preservation (Columbine and Cornwall the only SG survivors?), but I think all others are covered if you don't consider a 4-4-2 to be different to a 4-4-2T, for instance.

 

John Bellwood once said that the two most knackered engines in the National Collection were Agenoria and 2700, although of course Bradyll wasn't part of the Collection at the time.

Cornwall was sent to the Severn Valley with a view to overhaul for use in the Rainhill cavalcade, but as I understand it the firebox was shot and the cost of replacing it was too high for the limited amount of use which the engine would have seen.

 

The story I heard - and I offer no guarantees - was that a fitter accidentally dropped his hammer down the opened up dome. Concerns were raised when it landed on the ballast...

 

William Francis has been in steam so 0-4-0+0-4-0 is covered. As a side note, shouldn't it be 0-4-4-0 under the Whyte notation? AIUI, you only put a trailing truck in if it exists.

That's the one I was originally thinking of. Then I remembered 2-2-4 & 2-2-2.

 

My story was slightly different but it did include a hammer and a hole.

 

Ah, I didn't know it had run. I guess that was quite a long time ago? I've always seen Garratt wheel arrangements put in that format, so the LNER U1 was a 2-8-0+0-8-2, effectively treating it as two separate engines coupled.

I think the difference is that nobody would ever put an intermediate truck in a Mallet, so it's perfectly reasonably to call one of those an 0-4-4-0, but Garratts usually did have trailing trucks (like the NGG16 2-6-2+2-6-2), so the '0' is included for the same reason an Austerity is an 0-6-0. not just a 6. Avoids confusion.

 

I think it might be easier to set off on a quest for the holy grail.......

 

Looking on Wiki and elsewhere it seems to be present day practice to do this but going back in time, if there was no trailing truck, the zeros were frequently omitted. I can't find a hard and fast rule for this, though. As you say, apart from Garratts, trailing trucks seem to be non-existent.

 

I don't understand why trailing trucks were ever applied to the power units of Garratts - can anyone explain?

 

Usually to reduce the axle loading. Ray.

 

Given that Garratts don't have to accommodate a firebox, and the power units are suspended from the boiler/cab unit, why not add another coupled wheelset? Curve limitations? ISTR the LNER Garratt was a 2-8-0+0-8-2 - how much was Beyer and how much was two Gresley O2s, I'm not sure. Speaking of which, anyone else reckon an O2 would be really useful to have on a busy, steeply-graded LNER line like the NYMR? SVR could make an argument for one to go with their teaks too. Given their Ivatt-esque lines, one could even paint one in umber or olive green and call it the Billinton M-class (following the sequence of LBSCR nomenclature!)...

 

I think Steve saying that one of them only needed a chimney was a clue

Tom

 

Always Amberley's ex-Betchworth Fletcher Jennings 'Townsend Hook'. Going into fantasy land a Brighton B4 or G.


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There is at least one loco not far from my office that still has its original set of tubes in it...

We've done this "originality" vs. "authenticity" thing before.

 

I have a very simple yes/no/maybe database ;-)

This is used as part of a wider collections management tool to look at future displays, loans etc

It means nothing however without agreement from senior management, a costed business case, a conservation management plan, engineering assessment and enough money to enable the project to have serious backing.