The B12 thread...............

I'm rather interested in these - certainly in their final form elegant loco's

Unlike many early 4-6-0's they seemed to work, could go anywhere & as late as 1951 were called on to handle the accelerated services on former GE lines.

In addition to this they were the last surviving inside cylinder 4-6-0's (I think!)

But I don't know much more than that about them - oh and of course there is that Hornby model that just seems to go on & on...........

So what can anyone tell me about them?

 

A view of the last mainline trip of 61572. This is Finsbury Park where i joined the train for what was a run over some interesting and now long closed routes, full details here
http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/631005tw.html

 

Locomotives of the LNER Part 2B. See ebay item 262925634215 (not mine).

 

8572 was a guest at the Cotswold Festival of Steam on the GWSR in May 2013. The 1st time I'd seen it in steam. It was a very welcome visitor! I took this photo at Cheltenham Race Course.

 

When I was a volunteer on the NNR, someone stated the B12 was not the last remaining inside cylinder 4-6-0. There was a similar design still extant in Portugal. Ours was only Britain's last remaining example.

 

She is the only inside cylinder 4-6-0 in steam. There is the Portugese 4-6-0, as you say, that is very similar but sadly looks not long for this world by latest reports I have seen. In very much a sorry state of affairs that one.

She is, for my money, Britain's most beautiful 4-6-0. And frankly, after travelling behind her on the Bluebell Railway last year, probably the best sounding too. Just a wonderful machine.

 

It is a nice machine, looks good in both LNER green and BR black. First saw it at Sheringham on the NNR before it was restored in summer 1976.

 

If the Portuguese loco and a large amount of money became available, would it be possible to reconfigure it to match the appearance of a certain extinct Caledonian 4-6-0 which was probably even more attractive (but not as effective)? (Just asking!)

 

No chance - belpaire boiler I believe plus other more obvious differences. I'd rather see it restored to its Portugese format and lined up with the B12 for comparison, frankly.

 

Agreed, despite my, somewhat frivolous, previous post. I don't know what the Portuguese loco looks like (a Google search hasn't helped) and was curious.

 

I believe this is the loco (not my photo):



Keith

 

That's the one. A real beauty too. Surprising how two locomotives built at different times in two different countries independent of each other can look so similar. I don't know why I thought it had a belpaire boiler though - quite clearly round topped!

 

Does anyone know where it's located. I discovered some stored locos in the old shed at Lagos in the Algarve but couldn't get in to see what they were. The turntable and approach track is still there but there is insufficient interest or finance to take things further

 

The surviving inside cylindered 4-6-0 # 282 (Henschel 1910) was one of 6 derelict locos at Vila Nova de Gaia (on the south side of the Douro opposite Porto) until a couple of years ago. Due to slippage of the embankment on which they were standing the locos were removed - some (maybe all?) including #282 to Entroncamento where the national railway museum is situated. IIRC one of the mags carried a story about it. Whether anything has been done to it in the way of restoration I do not know. I seem to think the outside cylindered version had a belpaire firebox.
Ray.

 

There is also the Swedish A5, 1545, which was certainly in service and working on the main line fairly recently.
Ian

 

Just looking at this - extraordinary looking machine! Very handsome.

 

when going past encontramento 6 or 7 years ago there was a class 50 alike and something which looked like the J15 also

 

There are more of these in Sweden. I think there are a total of 8 preserved.

They are all of the same basic design but in many varieties. They were the private railway companies standard fast passenger engines (class H3, later SJ cl. A3 to A7). Developed from 4-4-0 locos in 1910. A total of 38 locos were built and used by about 8 different companies. Seven were delivered with larger boilers and 3 of the preserved locos are of this type, including A5 1545. The last pair was delivered in 1930.


The original standard type:
http://www.nbvj.se/fordon/anglok/swb5658.php

The developed, modernized type:
http://www.jvmv2.se/forum/index.php?id=40993


You may notice a clear British influence in the design.

PS.
Just as a curiosity; SWB 56 in the first link above has Deeley’s valve gear and the CME at the SWB was Thomas G. Betts of British descent.

 

Yes the' class 50' was built in england to the same design but of course to Iberian gauge which would also make it impossable to line up the B12 and the Henschel.

BTW the Henschel photo seems to have been taken in Regua where I first saw them in service.