Paint froth question!

The Isle of Wight Central pulled that stunt too, when Black, Hawthorn 0-4-2st No.3 was so treated on being mated with a modified ex-Midland 12 wheel clerestory carriage (built for Settle & Carlisle services) bought in to form the short lived and less than successful "Railmotor No.2". Not one of the more notable aesthetic triumphs wrought by the Newport workshop!

 

I never knew that. Was there any difference in the lining/lettering? Can you tell the difference on a B/W photograph?

 

The lining is bolder & looks to be a single line edging a black border:—


Source:— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpers_Crossing_Halte_railway_station

I'd guess that it was the same as used on coaches, i.e. a 3/8" wide 'Gold Colour' (a pale yellow ochre) - although it's possible it could have been gold leaf. At least one 517 had the cab side sheets painted cream.

The image is undated, but given the Baulk Road & the archaic spelling of Halte is probably fairly close to summer 1904.

Pete S.

 

Fascinating. You're right. The lining is quite different from the straw/black/straw on other class members.

I dug this one out. Probably scanned from Locomotives Illustrated but not sure. My notes say c1909.

 

From the amount of bright work on the loco I think that photo pre-dates the brown or lake liveries for auto tanks which were to match the all over coach colours i.e. brown 1908-12 then lake.

The one off crimson County Tank was during the period of brown coaches and was described as being similar to Midland Railway lake.

The lining in the photo does however seem a bit more conspicuous than usual.

 

Apologies for going off topic in a thread that includes "froth" in the title but ... I've never seen that spelling of "Halte". Was it common - and if so, just on the GWR, or more widely?

On another note - oh, to have been a train spotter at that time! It's hard to comprehend now just how rapidly the GWR must have changed either side of the turn of the century. In 1892 you could still see a broad gauge single-wheeler ready to depart from Paddington, and baulk road still in place. Within 15 years, the same departure from Paddington may have had a Saint or even a pacific at the helm. Was any railway elsewhere so radically transformed in so short a time? The transition from Wainwright to Maunsell on the SE&CR seems minor by comparison.

Tom

 

Wow! I'd never thought this would happen! Tom's praising something that's not ex Southern or it's constituents!

 

I've not been myself recently ...

Tom

 

It may feel a bit strange at first, but that's just because of the enormous change taking place as the Ashford chrysalis mutates into a Swindon butterfly. It's taken a while but you finally made it.

Welcome.

 

I'm wondering whether that's Wolverhampton livery.

 

The trailer looks to be No.4, & a bit of digging in Vol. 1 of John Lewis' GW Trailers books gives early 1906 as the latest date for the photo, as the trailer still has its original 'volute' bogies which were changed in June '06.
By July 1907, No. 4 had been radically altered with a double-door luggage compartment & droplights replacing some of the fixed bodyside windows.

Can't say whether the term was used by any other companies, but a trawl on Google produced

Broad Marston Halte - 1904-1916;
Evesham Road Crossing Halte 1904-1916
Defiance Halte - 1905

Post-WW1 wayside stations seem to be Halts, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that the term was out of use before then.

P.

 

This was Wolverhampton livery:—


http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/gwr/gwrbsh1199.htm

White/black/white on a turquoise ground.

P.

 

Some great pictures of early GW stuff, thanks for putting them up.

 

Fire engine

 

A **turquoise** ground? The tank sides look to me as if they are a light/dark/light lining which is evolving into something rather odd on the tank ends.

 

http://www.historywebsite.co.uk/Museum/Transport/Trains/GA.htm

 

That's rather an odd reproduction. Deep blue/green are more normal descriptions for Wolverhampton green.

 

The Granges may have been a grey area, the pictures below shows the lined 1934 livery with cooler cap and polished safety valve cover and there is a photo in Jim Russell's book of one in the post war lined livery. It may just depend on who did the job at Swindon.

 

The carriage livery was crimson from about 1912 I think and there is a story that some of the 517 autotanks were painted to match and Churchward did consider changing the general loco livery to crimson and a County tank ran in this livery for a while

 

I knew the coaches were maroon for a time, very similar to the Midland's livery. I think they reverted back to Chocolate & cream just after World War 1

While we are on the subject of obscure early GWR stuff, I'm sure that many of you will be familiar with the 0-4-0 tank Hornby make, GWR 101, also in a variety of fictional liveries. I've never been able to find much out about this loco at all, apart from the fact that only one was built and was initially oil fired. Anyone know?