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Back Of The Shed

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by James F, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. 240P15

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    I will suggest The V2 "Green Arrow":)
     
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    I think it could also be a question of location. Both 7200 and 7202 are at locations where they would be over kill by a mile, both with only short demonstration lines. A 72xx would be great (surely there isn't a more perfect loco for the Paignton and Dartmouth?) but where they currently are they are always gonna be pet projects for the few rather than sensible restorations for the railway centres at large.
     
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    There are photographs around which show at least one of the Island E1s had modified counterweights. Stroudley's system of counterweights works just fine on an A1x which machines do not have parts in common with other types and these parts are light in weight. The E.1 has massive rodding, seemingly standardised with much larger machines. Added to the Stroudley system this makes for problems in balancing smaller wheeled locomotives.

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    The E1 looks like a large Terrier but is closer in many respects to later Stroudley engines. His motion design, placing coupling rod cranks at the same point in relation to the axle as the connecting rod cranks (usually 180 degrees apart) worked satisfactorily on the A1 and his express engines but not as well on the D1 and E1. It seems that the combined weights of cranks and opposing balance weights resulted in a surging motion related to the size and speed of the driving wheels.
     
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    For something impressive, totally different, and very much stuck at the back of the queue, I'd nominate William Francis" (BP 6841/1937), the Baddesley Colliery Garrett as the loco I'd love to see run one day (ideally with a serious rake of 16T wagons up Foxfield bank!).
     
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    Wasn’t there a plan to return this to steam discussed quite recently?
     
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    On that basis I will savour my trip behind her in the S&C even more, including photographs of me on the footplate at garsdale!
     
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    Cant wait to see 72xx's back in steam. Heavy tank engine plenty of muscle. Though they would want to go lines where they can stretch legs
     
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    It has already been mentioned, but the LYR 2-4-2T would certainly be a unique candidate, unless I'm ignorant I don't think preservation has been graced with a 2-4-2T. The issue with this nomination is I imagine the size of that loco would preclude it from regular running on many larger heritage lines (including the ELR which is the most high profile ex LYR preserved line), so where would you run it. Perhaps Ribble? or Keighley? or Lakeside?
    I would very much love somebody to get working on Butler Henderson and 63601, it would be wonderful to have those two locos hauling the first public passenger trains over the gap once the GCR and GCRN are completely linked up, although it is extremely difficult to predict when that would happen and will probably still be the best part of a decade, so maybe let them rest a bit longer!
    I also would dearly love to see GNR 251 in action, but then if you want to see a pre-grouping Atlantic design in operation, it would probably be quicker and cheaper to complete Beachy Head at Sheffield Park rather than restore 251
    Also, purely from an emotional perspective, my first few firing turns as a trainee were on City of Truro, and I'd love to have her back to have another play!
     
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    Really? These tanks worked turn and turn about with John Aspinall's High Flyer Atlantics on express duties over the Pennines between Liverpool and Leeds. The ELR would be like a rest home!
     
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    That was purely an assumption on my part based on the loco's age and size
     
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    Looking at the principal dimensions, they are pretty close to those of a Wainwright H class — 160psi boiler, 18*26 cylinders, 5’6” wheels on the H class; 160psi boiler, 18*26 cylinders, 5’8” wheels on the LYR 2-4-2T. The L&YR loco seems to have a little bit more heating area, though I don’t know how it is distributed.

    Given that, I’d assume fairly similar capability. On the Bluebell, we allow the H class 150 tons tare on a line that has about 7 miles of 1:75 / 1:55 gradients in the up direction, on a timetable that is reasonably sharply timed. So I’d imagine the L&YR loco should do similar. On flatter lines, the load could increase accordingly - once your ruling grade is flatter than about 1:100, loco power is rarely the limiting factor on load; things like platform length come into play.

    Loco condition does make a real difference on older locos: in particular, a loco straight out of a P&V will use noticeably less water than one awaiting a P&V.

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    No superheater of course.

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    "Cecil Raikes" perhaps, or even "The Major"? I seem to recall an Australian poster on here years ago saying that whereas the ROD 2-8-0s weren't going anywhere on account of their importance to Aus as reminders of the country's sacrifice in WW1, it might be possible to repatriate "The Major" because in Aussie terms it's just another colliery engine of limited significance. I would imagine that the Mersey Railway 0-6-4Ts would be ideal power for many heritage lines, and they are definitely distinctive. That said, they're probably both completely knackered.

    On a more general note, while it would be nice to see oddballs such as "Gazelle" and "Aerolite" or glamour projects such as "Cornwall" and "City of Birmingham" in steam, the need for them just isn't there and so I would limit my wish list to large tank engines and small maid of all work tender engines. The NSR 0-6-2T, TVR No.28, "Meteor", 80100, the J17, that sort of thing.
     
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    Anything in the shed at didcot. All those new build/renewals/rebuilds and things like Cookham Manor slumber away. I just don’t really understand what goes on at didcot. Everything seems to be static display or under overhaul.

    Mountaineer and all the Snowdon locos that are out of use.
     
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    To be fair that isn't true. In recent times have seen the 6023 King running there, Steam Railmotor, Large Prairie , Flying Banana GWR railcar etc
     
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    I mentioned this on another thread some time ago but the E4 came up in discussion earlier this evening, repeating myself but that and 564 storming out of Sheringham past the golf course would be a wonderful sight.
     

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