Edmonson tickets a lost "cause" for ever?

Well I stand corrected. I thought that gift aid was only legitimate for donations and by definition that meant getting nothing in return.

 

maybe so but Railways managed with a uniformed official raising his arm right up to the 80s or 90s.A lollipop is out of place on a heritage line.

 

The date is on the rear of the framed Edmonson.

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For sure. Your user name and the topic of discussion just prompted me to remember that accident.

 

Generally it is. There’s an exemption that the likes of the National Trust use that allows Gift Aid on admissions, but it requires either a premium or (weirdly) for the charity to grant a years admission for the Gift Aid price.

What would surprise me would be HMRC allowing both that concession and the VAT exemption; I’m surprised that the Gift Aid concession is valuable enough to justify the loading on prices for VAT.


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I'm very much of the same understanding. I would like to know how the TR (and a few others) make the argument for claiming gift aid on train fares.

 

Per my previous post, the issue is not the Gift Aid - I’ve paid Gift Aid at the Eden Project, sundry cathedrals, Chatsworth, Twycross Zoo, Lincoln Bomber Command Memorial and various other places, where I agree that the use of modern IT to capture donor details is just common sense. It is the use of rules for “attractions” and “museums” at “transport” locations that intrigues me.


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Surely the point here is that a well designed EPOS system shouldn't see a significant difference between:-
1 The EPOS system printing the tickets at the time of issue and printing a receipt;
2 The EPOS system registering the issue of pre-printed tickets and then printing a receipt.

Option 2 would keep all the "virtues" of the EPOS system (including Gift Aid if appropriate) and should be no slower as the tickets can be taken from their tubes and dated while the contactless card is being searched for. Certainly when I worked occasionally in the booking office at Havenstreet (pre-EPOS) the actual preparation of the tickets was never the determining factor in the speed of the transaction.

 

One other factor I’ve been mulling over. Computers and computer controlled systems do have the amazing knack of crashing at the most inopportune moments.

Short of yanking it off the wall, I’m not sure you can crash a rack of proper Edmondson tickets...

Too many posts to like above; but 100% in agreement that the more of these little touches of heritage that get chipped away, the less we’ll seem to care about the next one...


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You are bang on the money there. All of it.

 

The only benefit I can see of the new type of large computer printed tickets over the original Edmonson type is that they're much easier to find in your wallet when the TTI comes along the train to check tickets.

 

Personally I would say the opposite - airline-size tickets are too big to fit in my wallet so more likely to get lost. An Edmonson ticket fits in my wallet, or in the card slot in my phone case, just nicely.

 

Good point. Any ticket larger than a £10 note is a problem.

 

In my wallet, any ticket larger than a credit card is a problem.


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good memory for aa centagenarian

 

Yes, I can't remember what I had for breakfast though.

 

Thank you. I though it should have the ticket press date - at the station, on the day - on the back.

And wondering about this has been giving me the equivilant of "earworm".

To spare me it's continuance: is it framed so that you can readily see the back of the ticket?

 

Surely it cant be beyond the skills of any railway that has POS terminals in its booking office and claims back gift aid to have the pos machine print out the receipt/ gift aid form to be filled in by the passenger and dropped off on leaving, and an Edmondson ticket for travel unless of course someone comes up with a printer that can print Edmondson type tickets in the old format so the booking office has blank cards, most likely colour coded to denote child etc, but it has to be exactly the same as an original in typeface etc

 

Fair enough. You then issue an Edmondson alongside the EPOS receipt/ticket. It's an additional cost, and will have to be subject to a levy accordingly. Ticket office workload increases, and people have to pay more for the experience. Personally, I think that's barmy.

@paulhitch is the only one talking sense in this thread.

And how many passengers will bother to fill out a form by hand? A vanishingly tiny minority. The loss of Gift Aid income would be very substantial.

 

Not by much surely? If someone is paying by card then they would likely get a receipt anyway. That's how the SVR stations with EPOS do it.