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North Norfolk Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by NNR Engineer, Apr 15, 2011.

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    When the steam ban is over, is 53809 likely to run this year? And is there a chance of the N2 making it to Cromer this year?
     
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    Anyone know which locomotives are scheduled to run this Saturday?
     
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    Thanks. Where did the idea to use the dibond sheeting come from?
     
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    I'm not 100% sure, the project leader for the vintage (pre BR) M&GN Society owned stock just came in one day with a sample and commented: "look, this might be a replacement for the bowed out panels on the Gresley stock". It is an experiment, although we already have a successful AF refrigerated container in the goods set which is made completely out of steel! So we already have previous when it comes to altering history when it comes to materials used. I'm not sure how many people on here who have seen pictures of our freight set realise the AF container is a complete departure from it's original design, but made to look almost identical on the outside! It could be said Di-bonding a Gresley is opening a can of worms with the purists, but the AF container at least has received a positive response.

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    I certainly regret the loss of ability to turn it out in teak but if it means the mainline set gets done quicker and more cheaply...It can always be reversed in the event of a big bequest
     
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    I don't think solid teak panels would even be an option at the moment, they would probably have to be built up of smaller sections of teak than those on the quads are.

    Are you using epoxy resin based timber adhesives and sealers?

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    If the panels work satisfactorily I wonder whether it would be possible to specify a product with a thin teak veneer as the top surface, or to apply the veneer in house, the veneers could even be made up from smaller different offcuts/recovered material, since the underlying structure would be continuous and solid it wouldn't need beading at that point (I realise the grain wouldn't be continuous, but furniture makers have been matching grain for years). I've no idea how possible that would be...just a thought but it could be a good one
     
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    I just wonder of there is a logical plan with this. Getting the buffet out with essentially temporary repairs and painted in blood and custard will match the recently arrived Thompson brake, which I understand will have a short term fix to the interior. These coaches can then be kept busy and earning revenue while the vintage carriage restoration team can think about what is the order of restoration for the Great Eastern BTK and the Gresley TTO and TK's which in themselves will require major rebuilds and many years of work. Maybe by that time the full rebuild to teak glory for the Gresley Buffet and ersatz teak for the Thompson BTK (including full interior restoration) will take place, but I this will be several years off.
     
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    The frames are being sealed by such yes, but the panels, not being timber, aren't.

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    I was thinking of the frame and any structural repairs thereof.

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    Got my Joint Line today. All is clear now regarding the Thompson, The GER BTK and the Mainline set. Makes sense and there is much to look forward to. Thanks guys
     
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    Are you able to indicate the planned sequence of work?My post of Sunday afternoon was speculation. The coach fund has done great things and I feel a contribution is due for the challenges ahead with the mainline set.
     
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    I'll leave it to Mr Moxon or one of the other NNR C&W bods to make that announcement on here, as it's their baby, and not all joint Lines may have landed yet and I don't want to be responsible for a spoiler, but I'll message you (if I can work out how to)
     
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    Good luck finding enough teak to completely repanel a coach these days. It has recently been taken off the common market and is not far off being on the endangered species list.
    Stick to steel panels and painted liveries. If you want to teak affect. Marine ply and veneer or scumbled.
     
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    To understand the "order" in which things are being planned to be done, one has to understand the workshop spaces. This is not a secret but is rarely mentioned outside as it's not a particularly exciting topic... There are effectively two teams at work: NNR and M&GN. All of the exciting pre-nationalisation and vintage stock is all under the M&GN umbrella when it comes to the restorations. M&GN use one space in the shed and are currently also using a second space outside where summer work and interior work can be progressed. NNR uses the remaining space in the shed but will loan an extra space in the short term if certain work is required for other departments or M&GN projects, such as repainting work.

    Taking the above into consideration it would seem there are currently "two M&GN queues" that for the next year or two will be running in parallel, the "inside the shed" projects and the "outside the shed" projects. It is not one single list so coaches can't be listed in a single order - this makes it harder for people like myself to answer questions like "will X come in after Y is finished, but what about Z?". The reality is Y will come in after X, but Z may come in earlier than Y if work to W goes well!

    Also bear in mind that plans are ALWAYS in flux and this is just the latest in a long line of plans which are adapted to suit at the time, so what is being printed in Joint Line and being discussed on here will always be subject to change in the months and years ahead! You just don't know, in 5 years time there may be a complete change of policy...

    So, tentatively, the current plans for the "outside the shed" queue are as follows: Gresley Buffet (re-panel and return to service in Carmine/Cream), Thompson BG (cosmetic only repairs to allow vehicle to be used at Holt as a museum coach) and finally Thompson BTK (interior re-restoration to saloon format plus other works to then launch into service in Carmine/Cream). I doubt this queue will progress rapidly during the winter months for obvious reasons!

    The "inside the shed" queue will operate much more slowly then the outside queue as the work to each vehicle is much greater: G.E.R 853 (completion of full rebuild for vintage set), G.E.R 295 (full rebuild) then after that each of the two un-restored Gresleys (TK or TTO) one at a time. Somewhere amongst all that lot M&GN 129 will be taken from the vintage set and its 4-wheel chassis replaced with the 6-wheeler already prepared for it and awaiting fitting.

    I hope that's enough carriage planning for you all! And I can guarantee that it won't pan out exactly as stated! One of the reasons for the "announcement" in Joint Line was at the request of the project leader who wanted to dispel some of the myths and debates going on, so hopefully he will not mind my posting on here as he wishes the plan to be shared.
     
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    Was searching through some old emails a while ago and came across several "plans" for our own workshop shedules, had a good laugh in retrospect!
     

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