What moquette is this?

This question was posted on a local Facebook group in London, with the two attached photos. I wonder if the combined knowledge of NatPres can help?

"Calling all you moquette lovers! Can you help? I have a bag that was made of vintage moquette circa 1968. The fabric came from the carriage Works at Stratford Railway Works where carriages were refurbished. My grandfather was a clerk there, rising to Chief Clerk to the Manager by the time he retired. He worked there from 1914 to 1964! I can’t find any other examples of these two patterns. The railway works were Great Eastern Railway, then LNER and finally BR. Could they have been samples? Any ideas?"

 

As you have had no answers I will have a go. I suggest you look at books about LNER carriages and on the internet and check any photos of the interiors to see if you can spot the moquette in use, then this might show the period it was used in and sometimes fabrics were only used in say 1st or 3rd class etc.
They are not ones I recognise and I would say were probably pre BR. It is hard to tell from the photos but it looks like a cut moquette. Uncut moquette has lots of small loops but when they cut it the tops of the loops get cut off, so any style can be a cut or uncut version. Sometime they vary it and only cut certain parts to make a pattern. Today moquette is nearly all cut but apparently you can request it to be not cut if you order this. This will explain it in more detail

https://heritagerailfabric.co.uk/catalogue.html#guide

It may be that when they stopped using fabrics that employees were allowed to use old pieces. Also when coaches were scrapped wooden parts like the seats were often sold for firewood. I know someone who says he bought many old seats to use the wood as fuel so perhaps old fabric was reused by someone to make the bag.

You could also try Camira fabrics who are the only company who still make moquette. They previously took over Holdsworths who also took over British Furtex but don't know what records they have retained. I guess unless you hint that you want to order some from them then they may not be that helpful.

https://www.camirafabrics.com/transport-rail

 

Thx toplight - I'll pass this back to the moquette's owner.

 

I have posted a link of this topic to the GER society to see what they can come up with.

 

They have "most" of the cards used to control the old fashioned looms but these require expert analysis to translate them into the visible pattern. Their designers are very good and have even produced fabrics from photographs and small samples.

These moquettes are not any LNER ones that i have seen either as samples or in photographs, i would hazard a guess that they could well be pre grouping designs.

Sawdust.

 

This is also some information on railway moquettes from the Bluebell but they are mostly interested in Southern or BR ones.

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/cw/MOQUETTE/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/extension3363/sets/72157626661385666/

 

Hmmm ...
Don't recognise those designs (and I used to work for an interior designer so saw masses of pattern books).
The size fits being from a sample / pattern book.

Actually, that top one looks a bit like a bus fabric.

(Will have a dig in my memory banks)

 

I believe that some fabrics were used by both railway and bus companies - there's at least one example in the form of the "purple cabbage" pattern found in postwar LNER 1st class compartments and the Southdown Bus Company.