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Rake of 16t Mineral Wagons for the Pontypool and Blaenavon Railway

Discussie in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' gestart door Sidmouth, 29 nov 2018.

  1. class8mikado

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    Is it not the case also that there are more wagons than there are sets of functional oleo buffers ?
     
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    Actually, it is "Raft" of wagons and "Rake" of coaches.
     
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    Were 16T mineral wagons normally fitted with oleo buffers? Most of the pictures I have looked at seem to show RCH-type finned buffers.
     
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    Despite being a "Standard" design, there was a huge range of detail differences between the wagons and quite a few were running with oleo buffers when they were purchased for preservation in the 1990's. Of the 36 in the Windcutter fleet I don't think any two are identical! Buffers, brakes, axleboxes, wheel sets, couplings, doors can all be different.

    and I have never heard the use of "raft" when talking about wagons....could that be a local term?
     
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    I have seen it used in print to describe a rake of wagons being marshalled, similar but not quite equivalent to the word "cut", but I can't recall seeing it being used to describe an entire train.

    For example to describe marshalling you might say "an incoming train is split into cuts, which are formed into a raft for each destination", but then you would go on to explain that the rafts get made up into trains.
     
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  8. Actually it's 'raft' and 'rake'. Neither is a proper noun and you are not quoting anyone.

    Or were you adopting the age-old train buff mindset of 'selective pedantry'? :)
     
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    Raft and rake would also be fine, since the quotation marks are not essential :)
     
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  10. I was quoting Martin Adalar's post, so in my post they were necessary :)
     
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    I wonder when a number of rafts becomes a fleet?:rolleyes:
     
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    A raft may be a collective of ducks or otters
     
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    A flotilla, surely?

    Actually do we know for sure if we are talking about some of the GCR based wagons? I’ve seen nothing from the GCR to say so. And there are other locations with a few 16T minerals, e.g. Foxfield, Snibston.


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    If carrying a group of bad tempered baboons the raft could have flange problems.
     
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    Someone has posted on another forum that they are the currently "stored" ones at Quorn, GCR - Though whether that is true, or someone is taking what I posted towards the start of this thread as being correct (rather than logical conjecture) is another matter...........
    Certainly, if I was looking for wagons of that type for a railway, that would be the logical place to start!
     
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    An article in the latest Heritage Railway magazine says they are coming from the GCR.
     
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    I believe the final details are still to be sorted, but there is a willingness, on all sides, to see this loan happen for a variety of reasons.
     
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    Rather off topic, but does anyone know what rolling stock is still at the former Snibston museum?? (other than the Brush built tank engine).
    I know some has departed to the Mountsorrel Heritage Centre........
     
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    Thanks.
    Not a lot then - Particularly as the MR brake has already gone elsewhere and been fully restored.
     

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