What is the long term future for the unrestored Barry engine

Because you know it would be well justified. So what was the purpose?

A quick glance down that list and the comments, as someone has already pointed out, shows that you don't know as much as you pretend to.

Most peoplewith good intentions prefer those people who put constructive efforts into their own projects and helping others where they can. Instead of trying to make themselves look and sound good by knocking and mocking.

 

Right, before this thread goes completley off topic, heres a little project for anyone who's bored!

Have got a list of all the locos that came out of Barry (http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/barry1.htm), and have put them on the attached spreadsheet.

Next to each loco, there needs to be a status code from the list below:

1 - Restored, currently operational
2 - Restored, now stored awaiting another overhaul
3 - Restored, currently undergoing an overhaul
4 - Restoration in progress - not yet operational
5 - Stored in unrestored condition
6 - Dismantled for other projects

I've put a code against the locos that I know of (some might be wrong!) but theres plenty that still need filling in. No prizes for the first person to complete it!

 

I think the pupose of the exercise is to give owners/groups or people in the know an oppurtunity to put togther via here or anywhere else for that matter, to inform us all of the status of these EX barry locos.

I do not pretend to know, one can assume through visiting the various sute and if the assumption is based on what is see over a period of many years 27 in 4123s case then the question will be asked what will the next 27 years bring.

We all have good intentions when we start out on this movement we all know buying the loco from Barry was one thing restoring it is a completly different ball game and as for managing it when it is running.......do you want me to start a list of the has runs, dont know when next ?

I have no intention of Mocking or Knocking more wake up and sniff the steam,... for example

A few months ago I was talking to a group who have already completed a Barry Loco and a superb job it is too, we then discussed the next one waiting in the wings i did point out that the youngest member was 59 and they were short of 500k and they had no where to restore it.

Another point is there is a growing shortage of locomotives with some high profile lines finding it harder to finance overhauls, so with that in mind I do find it frustrating when personalities get in the way of commercial reality

You might not have railway to run your locomotive on, or if you are lucky, be to old to drive it

 

OK, A few for Diamond Gaz's challenge above, based on the groups I have some dealing with:

BRC
6989 - 4 (slowly!)
7200 - 4 - I agree with DG's assessment

FRT
5643 - 1
4979 - 5

GWR
2807 - 4 (1 in 2009!)

 

I think you will find that 30499 will steam again at some point on the MHR. Now the loco is back on the MHR the group are getting parts together for her. Once 30506 is up and running the group will start work on 30499.

 

That is just the type of feedback I was looking for.... thanks 73129

Keep us all posted

I wish them well, a long road ahead but worth it

 

You only 'think' do you. You don't really know. But you still chose to make some somewhat nasty comments, and I dare say not much actual 'thinking' applied either. I don't suppose the people working on 44123 will welcome your input. Nor one or two others. Especially as it's not accurate. And yet you started your piece by saying "Now lets start being honest about these locos " Are you having a laugh or what?

Try and be a bit more careful in future. I'm sure you wouldn't want the same sort of critical focus applied to the goings-on in your neck of the woods.

 

To be honest the only reason i ever put the 4F on the list is because of a picture on the Avon Valley Railway website of it in to be honest Barry condition. This is the picture in question:
http://www.avonvalleyrailway.org/gallery/gen/Fowler_4F_0_6_0_44123.jpg
And going by this picture of it in 2005 i really can't see how i am wrong in thinking not a lot is happening:
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/roysrailpage/frame/44123.html

But and this is a big but, what you see from the pictures isn't always what is going on. And from looking at there website they have been busy repairing the tender of the loco and getting parts done up. They even have a Website below for those interested:
http://www.4123.co.uk/

All i can say is that instead of just going on about how it should be taken off the list all you should of done was post the link to the website. Instead i had to find it. Not that hard but then the Avon Valley doesn't even link to it from there website.
The website is better than most and unlike the other Barry engine under restoration there has been updated this year. Maybe in the future you could inform us of the updates as it's always nice to know how restorations are going even if they are quite slow.

 

You can never say never in this world about what will run again and what will not run again. Let’s be grateful that all these locos were rescued from Barry and not left to the scrap man.

 

Doesn't 34010 Sidmouth qualify for that list? It was at Barry, has had a certain amount done over the years but is still a long way from restoration?

http://sites.google.com/site/34010sidmouth/

 

Already restored and has run in preservation so no not even close to being on the list as none of these engines have run as yet.

 

Eh? Which loco are you are on about? 34010 Sidmouth hasn't run in preservation!

 

Yeah another cracker for the file there. I was thinking of 34105 Swanage instead 34010 Sidmouth. Still i see no reason why it should be on the list as it is under active restoration.
http://www.southern-locomotives.co.uk/sidmouth-restoration.php

 

OK, it wasn't clear what the criteria were for the list. A number of the locos listed are part restored. Sidmouth still has a long way to go.

http://sites.google.com/site/34010sidmouth/

 

Which ones are part restored? If you are referring to 7229 on the ELR then all i can say is that is not under active restoration. Where as 30499 is almost off the list as it's restoration seems to have started again. As soon as it moves to the engine shed at the Mid Hants and they start removing things it'll be off the list.

I use a very loose criteria when judging engines but as you can see from the link 34010 Sidmouth isn't a rusting hulk what most of the engines on my list are. It is also being restored by a group which is dedicated to restoring and running there engines. As can be shown by there wonderful work on 34070 Manston. It's also the reason Sir Keith Park isn't on the list.

 

Bickmarsh Hall is beginning to come along nicely, most of the accumulated grime has been removed and most of the boiler rubbed down and repainted, so although not much physical restoration has been completed some preservation work to stop her deeteriorating has. The whereabouts of some missing parts has been established as well as some new parts being made.

The tender has been stripped to the point that the tank is ready to be lifted off - to be replaced with new. The chassis can then be painted next summer, the brake rigging is off and being refurbished, water valves (the most significant missing pieces of the tender) have been obtained.

The photos on the website don't show most of this but it does link to a photopic site with more detailed pics.

If anyone is interested please visit http://www.bickmarshhall.co.uk - donations and help will be gratefully received

Nick

 

Yes, as a supporter of SLL I am delighted with Manston. However, the SLL webpage describing the restoration status of Sidmouth is a tad optimistic because Sir Keith Park has leapfrogged it in the restoration queue (for good reasons).

 

Not having seen recent photos, that sort of condition prompted my post on restoring cosmetically only certain preserved locos.
Good to see progress has been made though.

 

I can't help but notice you all seem to be focusing on the big locos and this mean that the real work horse get forgotten, yes I am talking about industrial shutters. I think these group have the hardest task because they’re not very well know locomotives

 

The title of the topic is - What is the long term future for the unrestored Barry engine. Not sure that there were that many industrial locos in Barry scrapyard...

Maybe worth starting a new thread to cover the industrial locos?