Current and Proposed New-Builds

And just my opinion... my idea of a 'dead' locomotive is not one that is on display, but one that has been scrapped.

 

'Dead' is a term in use throughout industry to describe something that is not 'live' and is a perfectly proper term. You describe electrical circuits as live or dead, machinery as live or dead so it is quite correct to describe a loco that is not in steam as dead. Something that has been scrapped is quite different. It is non-existent.

 

I wonder what`s happen to this project? https://www.cramptonlocomotivetrust.org.uk/whats-a-crampton-locomotive/

Knut

 

The lack of response suggests that this project is not widely known. I had certainly not heard of it.

Thomas Crampton seems to have enjoyed a fair amount of success on several of the French and German railways, who used his types of locomotives in significant numbers for some decades. But he was seen as outside the mainstream in Britain and only about 50-60 Crampton-type locos were used here. These were a mix of the "classic Crampton" with set-back outside cylinders driving the rear wheels and inside-cylinder versions driving onto an intermediate jack-shaft. Crampton's "magnum opus", the 6-2-0 Liverpool, nominally worked on the LNWR from 1848-58, but spent much time in store and was eventually renewed by James McConnell as an ordinary 0-6-0 goods engine.

With any plan to create a working replica of a locomotive from early days, engineers will obviously have to carefully review the design and consider what changes might be needed to satisfy modern constructional and operating requirements - steel instead of wrought iron, coal instead of coke, firebox model, wheel balancing, lubrication, train brakes, etc. Where the engine has only a single pair of driving wheels, low adhesion will limit the loads that can be hauled, so a question arises of exactly what work will the replica undertake. In the light of the difficulties experienced by the Tyseley Bloomer project, I think we should be very cautious about starting to build another such working replica.

But could be an interesting project for a model engineer to build for a miniature railway.

 

There are a few miniature Cramptons about. I remember seeing a 5" gauge Liverpool 40 years ago and there is a published design for a 2-2-2-0. One on our members built a 7.25" gauge Liverpool and as the club had no track of this gauge he built a track down his garden. It was quite a speedy machine and one day it ran awy and ended up on the golf course at the bottom of his garden. I have attached a picture of it part finished

 

Is it perhaps time to refresh this thread? Or has nothing of interest been happening?

 

We`ll be right back after the livery debate....

 

You mean, whether the new build Crampton, when finished, should be early or late BR crest????

 

Well, given the wheel layout and general appearance, I'd vote for the ole 'cycling lion' crest.

 

Rail blue ..... Statford variant, naturally, with large logo and whitewashed coal.

 

Plenty happening with a number of the well supported new builds, but they tend to have their own threads.

Maybe worth mentioning that the New Build Steam news update for December 2019 begins with this note: Welcome to the last news round-up of 2019 – which will also, as announced last time, be the final one on newbuildsteam.com. Happily, it’s now possible to announce that a successor site, New Build UK, will be launched in 2020. The new site will be editorially separate from newbuildsteam.com, and located at a different web address. It will cover a wider scope, including diesel and narrow gauge projects, and aim to deliver a broader range of content, including video. A brief post will be published here on newbuildsteam.com to let you know when it is live, and where to find it. Followers of this site on Twitter and Facebook won’t need to do anything – the social media feeds will be transferred to the new site.

https://newbuildsteam.com/2019/12/29/news-round-up-4-2019/

 

I Frothed up the Paint Tin on the Blue Peter thread if that helps...

 

There's only one suitable choice for the Crampton - crack open the tin of tartan paint ...


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Tom

 

Lovely! I had a copy of that picture on my bedroom wall as a kid. C. Hamilton Ellis was as much of a "case" as any Crampton loco, IIRC

 

Much as I would like, if winning Euromillions, to sponser the building of an L&YR Highfligher or Dreadnaught, or a GER T19, can i suggest one type of really significant loco that is unrepresented is the many variations of contractor built locos that served our lesser railways before grouping. Beyer Peacock in particular supplied locos to all sorts of minor up to regional lines, e.g. the Furness and the Cambrian. If I had the money i personally would sponser the recreation of the last two Wirral 4-4-4T's. Very handsome locomotives, and useful and economical on most preserved lines.

 

I like the sentiment as there is nothing worse than proposals for new build loco's that are totally unsuitable for 25mph operation - one small point though, I don't believe the Furness had any locomotives built by Beyer Peacock. . . .



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Weren't the Cambrian/Furness locos Sharpies?
Ray.

 

Many of the early ones came from SS but later on there was a fair smattering of locos from other makers Kitson, Vulcan F, NBL etc etc - but none from BP.


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I think you would find the 4-4-4T wheel arrangement to provide inadequate adhesion. The N.E.R. ones were rebuilt as 4-6-2Ts for this reason.

 

Horses for courses I would say, N.E.R probably had more hills to climb than on the Wirral and acceleration may be more important than adhesion over hilly ground. And of course this could be applied for the new locos today as why would you build something with larger than needed wheels when you are only running at 25mph max. and you've got a few hills to climb - oh hang on . . .


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