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West Somerset Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwr4090, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. johnofwessex

    johnofwessex Resident of Nat Pres

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    Looking at it from the outside, it seems to me that on any other railway (OK, most) if you dont like how its run, its possible - as happened to the ex6 to change things, and of course the fact that things can be changed probably helps to keep those in power on the straight and narrow.

    Clearly on the WSR, it is much harder if not impossible to hold the PLC to account which in turn must create a level of frustration
     
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    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    I will let you decide if you think BA was a well run company. At different times it has made shed loads of money, as well as mega losses like most airlines.
     
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    Thank you Martin for the above. I am sorry to have caused so much problems for you and others to deal with as Moderators.

    Quite a few of us have a grasp of what is going on, with inside information, and I apologise for tripping over forum rules on occasions. But it is very frustrating when so much has to be kept off Nat Pres, when so much more is known.

    Apologies if this is cryptic, as it must remain, to remain within forum rules.

    A degree of candour and honesty on the part of the WSR PLC board is required currently; and a swift conclusion of the Washford 'Notice to Quit' as time is rapidly running out on the legal clock - 6 months have already expired of the 12 month limit to the 'Notice to Quit'.

    If I were to suggest the WSR PLC board were dragging their heels and letting the clock run, and my having a copy of the full Bailey Report and much else besides, then you can all draw your own conclusions.
     
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    So to some of us on the outside, looking in and trying to piece together the cryptic bits of the jigsaw, it seems increasingly that this is the one person who really understands what is going on:

     
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    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    there is a very fine margin unfortunately between sharing information whilst not betraying the confidence of those who have divulged it, and also treading the legal tightrope . As I have said before most will not wish to be on the receiving end of a legal letter or action especially with nothing to gain and everything to lose. Action against one whilst it may appear vexatious does have a sobering affect on everyone else and is in itself an interesting form of control

    the other point in sharing information you hope that people who can influence the outcome will take it on board and react . Rather like the Iceberg warnings transmitted in the hope of saving other vessels from a disaster if people refuse to listen , or trust in another outcome then there is nothing that can be done
     
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    Whilst everybody is entitled to express an opinion, my preference is that Moderators should moderate, rather than throw petrol on a fire at every opportunity.
     
  7. Triumph 2500S

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    But is that too much for just one man, however capable, who does not live anywhere near the WSR?
     
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    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Fair comment. In the case of the WSR thread though, it is also really difficult (and tiresome) running around trying to remove petrol cans from the many who seem to have them. Why that seems to be the norm north west of Taunton is of course the question that everyone would like an answer to.
     
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    The only fire that I can see is at the WSR .....and that is already out of control. At some point in the future my hope is that a phoenix will rise out of the ashes. <BJ>
     
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    Why Not Barrie?!!
     
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    1 - an entirely anonymous individual who has taken the unusual step of blocking view of their own profile
    2 - I have given praise where it is due alongside measured criticism where it is also due
    3 - Given your stance I presume you are happy with the current captain and leadership despite many others shouting iceberg (or is that pouring petrol ?)
     
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    There is so much to be impressed with on the GWSR especially the way in which they deal with one crisis after another!

    and don't forget they started with NOTHING!

    Perhaps the WSR needs to find out how they achieve so much with so little
     
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    But the question must be asked how hard did the plc work to retain their services?
     
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    It would be great to know if the board planned to do a phased reopening starting with the end that is nearest to the punters and furthest away from the work required?
     
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    Just because you are on furlough does not prevent you from writing a briefing or does it?
     
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    Yes it does - the restrictions on what an employee can do are very broad. However, furlough rules do not prevent an employer bringing someone back onto payroll for handover activities.
     
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    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    Actually it does. You are forbidden to undertake any work for your employer when under furlough. You can be brought back on a part time basis since the beginning of July but prior to that it was a minimum of 3 weeks on furlough with no flexible option meaning employees are barred from undertaking any work in those circumstances.
     
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    1) I decided to become anonymous a couple of years ago, having first consulted with and taken advice from a forum Moderator (not you, I might add) in a private conversation.

    2) Plenty of criticism seen, but not much that I’d call measured.

    3) Yes. The Chairman and his Board have my support.
     
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    Technically yes - if you are furloughed, it is because your employer has in essence told the Government that there is no work for that person to do for the period they are furloughed. Ergo, you can't then do any work for your employer, and writing a handover document would very definitely count as work.

    The difficulty I see for the WSR is really a "and then what?" sort of question. The furlough scheme will end (the gradual winding down is already signalled). There will also inevitably be costs of re-opening, whether that is done now or ready for Christmas or ready for next Easter. So take the track work issue - at some point that is going to have to be repaired, and someone competent is going to have to sign off that repair. That is cost that has to be borne at some point; I can't see it becomes any easier to bear that cost the longer the company goes without any income at all. In other words, the company is either going to have to replace those who left, or find some other mechanism to carry out and sign off the work. That applies across a whole host of areas. The visible things many railways are doing to reopen (signage, screens, handwashing stations etc) I suspect is ultimately a rather small part of the costs of reopening, all of which are going to have to be faced sooner or later.

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