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60163 "Ticket to Ride" 19/09/20

Rasprava u 'What's Going On' pokrenuta od MarkinDurham, 12. Kolovoz 2020..

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  1. MarkinDurham

    MarkinDurham Well-Known Member

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    Anyone else booked on this? Have just booked Premier Dining for my good lady and myself from Darlington. Copy Pit, Summit and departure from Lime Street behind steam will all be firsts for me
     
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  2. MarkinDurham

    MarkinDurham Well-Known Member

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    Just had a mail from the A1 Trust. Tickets in the post on Monday. Also advised that we will now be going to Liverpool via Manchester & returning via Copy Pit. There's an issue with clearance at one bridge, apparently. At least we are still running
     
    MarkinDurham, 12. Rujan 2020.
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  3. LMarsh1987

    LMarsh1987 Part of the furniture Friend

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    Can we assume they'll be a tailgunner for this as you need one for the drag back out of Liverpool ?
     
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  4. MarkinDurham

    MarkinDurham Well-Known Member

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    Oh, I hope not - especially after her splendid run over Beattock on Saturday last with 13 on...

    Mark
     
    MarkinDurham, 14. Rujan 2020.
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    Davo Well-Known Member

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    Unless the diesel can be stabled outside Liverpool limestreet somewhere or could tornado just reverse out of the bay platforms at limestreet on the triangle to turn its train round thats the only 2 ways i could see round it without there been the need for a tailgunner.
     
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  6. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    No chance of propelling a train out of any station for that sort of distance, let alone up the bank to Edge Hill.
     
    RalphW, 14. Rujan 2020.
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  7. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Network Rail has rules about the propelling of trains. You may recall that for a while there was an issue at Aberdeen over propelling a train so as to release the locomotive to turn at Ferryhill. So my guess is that a tailgunner is needed unless a DL can be allowed to drop down and attach once the train has arrived.
     
    Big Al, 14. Rujan 2020.
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  8. Sam 60103

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    Is this going to be operated by WCRC or DBC?
     
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  9. MarkinDurham

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    The triangle is on the other side of Edge Hill to Lime Street - there is no way that NR would allow propelling that far. Now, it USED to be possible for a locomotive to 'drop on' to a train already in the platforms - that's how the electric services to Euston used to run, prior to DVTs - but since the resignalling I'm not sure. Perhaps we will know more once the timings appear on RTT...

    Mark
     
    MarkinDurham, 14. Rujan 2020.
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    There has been a couple of north wales coasts in recent years that have left the diesel at lime St and that has sat at edge hill all day till the return. Surely this would be possible?
     
    61994, 15. Rujan 2020.
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  11. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    I would guess it's most likely to be WCRC.
     
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  12. MarkinDurham

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    Tickets just received. No timings yet up on RTT though.

    Mark
     
    MarkinDurham, 15. Rujan 2020.
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    Thank you. I suppose Tornado being mostly WCRC operated these days means it can haul more tours to more locations.
     
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    5944, 15. Rujan 2020.
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  15. MarkinDurham

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    Hi 5944.

    Thanks for posting the links - looks like the whole train is to be turned at Preston. I wonder why they're going all that way, when the triangle on the Bootle Branch is there. Let's hope that the tailgunner is quiet then...

    Mark
     
    MarkinDurham, 16. Rujan 2020.
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  16. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Which triangle is that? There's one at Southport but no obvious way of getting there from Lime Street. However there is one somewhat nearer, at Garston. Preston does indeed seem a long way.
     
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    There's one just east of Edge Hill, that has Wavertree Technology Park station on one side of the triangle. Not sure if a signalled turning move would be possible there though, plus you've then got to find somewhere to stable the stock. I know Edge Hill depot has been used in the past, but that might not be an option this time. Plus it's on the opposite side of the line to the triangle, so lots of faffing around. As daft as it sounds, turning via Farington is probably the easiest option.
     
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  18. MarkinDurham

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    The Southport triangle is actually gone. The one I was thinking of is at the southern end of tbe Bootle Branch. The north to east curve of it was replaced some years ago, when rail traffic to/from Seaforth increased. Basically it's Edge Hill, Edge Lane Junction (if memory serves) and Olive Mount Junction. AFAIK it's fully signalled, & can handle heavy mineral traffic.

    Mark.
     
    MarkinDurham, 16. Rujan 2020.
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    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Anyone know what changed to allow WCRC to bury the hatchet?
    (BTW I was going to post this in a general Tornado thread but can't find one. It is mentioned in threads about tours that it is hauling and in the Current and Proposed New-Builds thread but seems not to have one of its own.)
    EDIT: I have found it now.
     
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  20. Groks212

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    There is a thread for Tornado in the Steam Traction forum on here.:)

    Dave B
     
    Groks212, 16. Rujan 2020.
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