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BR (LMR) Station fittings colours?

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by Richard Roper, Apr 13, 2021.

  1. Richard Roper

    Richard Roper Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if anyone could be so kind as to confirm the colours of the Maroon and Cream livery applied to restored BR (LMR) stations, such as Keighley or Embsay?

    I'm guessing they will be BS381C colours, and am guessing that the Maroon is either 540 CXrimson, or 541 Maroon. The Cream is a different matter, but again I'm guessing either 352 Pale Cream, or 369 Biscuit.

    I'd really appreciate any help, as the interior of my house is going to be painted in this livery.

    Richard.
     
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    flying scotsman123 Resident of Nat Pres

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    From https://stationcolours.com/lms :

    "The official BR specification from 1960 gives the colours as BS 381C 'Gulf Red' and 'Light Biscuit' in which case the red is brighter than the LMS shade. The paints dried very matt, though, which lessened the impact of this attractive livery."
     
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    Many Thanks! I thought Gulf Red looked like the one, but can't find "Light Biscuit" on current colour charts, only "Biscuit".


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    On that page all the other regions it just says "biscuit" and it also says it was the same cream shade in all regions, so I'd go with biscuit.
     
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    Great stuff! Once again, Thank You! I think my rooms will look smart with maroon skirtings, doors and cornices, and cream walls.

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    The cream colour used in the 1950s was BS381c 385 Light Biscuit, this colour was on 1n the 1948 edition of 381c of which i have a copy but it was subsequently deleted from later editions along with Champagne, Sunshine and Beige; I presume this was because they were all very similar. Luckily there is a current colour on BS 4800 which is extremely similar - 10 C 33, this colour is widely available from any paint supplier. BS 381C 473 Gulf Red has no close match in any other standard - although if you want to know what it looks like have a look at the wheels on Mallard which are painted in this colour. This has been said to be used as the marroon colour for buildings in the 50s and no doubt it was used but most colours in the 50s up to 1972 would most likely have been chosen from BS 2660 because this was the standard at the time for colours used for decoration and wall coverings. Colours from this list were also used for diesel locos and rolling stock. BS 2660 was replaced in 1972 by the current standard BS4800 which provides equivalent colours but are in most cases not the same as those on 2660. Having studied the records of designers Wilkes & Passmore it seems when they created a livery or colour scheme for British Railways or the British Transport Commission they chose the colour scheme and suggested to BR they use a colour with a choice of two equivalent colours from either BS381C or BS 2660 to achieve the desired look.
     
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    Many Thanks for your input! What I thought may be an easy job is turning into a steel container of wiggly things!

    Richard. :)
     

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