Pennine Explorer 22/05/21 60163 Tornado

Yes, I've heard unvalidated so far, 55mph at the summit too. In context 46229's Blue Riband record was 54mph. Perhaps Tornado could have done to stop at Appleby to make it a "valid" Blue Riband challenge!

 

Not sure if you are aware but BIL never actually took water at Appleby! They went to put the bag in, but found the loco had stopped slightly short and it wouldn't reach the tank. Rather than closing all the doors and pulling forward, the crew decided they had enough to reach Hellifield and that was that. The Appleby stop was purely for ice cream it would seem! I wonder if conserving water consumption was a reason for the slightly less energetic climb that ensued? However, 35018's water capacity should be more than sufficient to cover comfortably.

 

Both trains comprised 13 coaches so comparison of the train running would surely be of interest.

 

One from Garsdale:


Tornado at Garsdale

 

Tornado approaching Kirkby Stephen in a lucky patch of light

David Price
Cop Lane on Flickr

 

Chalk and cheese. Carlisle to Settle Jct running time 117 mins BIL v 89 Tornado . OK, deduct 5 mins for the Appleby stop, that's still a 20-25% difference. Appleby to Blea Moor 48 mins v 33 mins. Says it all really.

Really excellent run from Tornado, let's hope someone was on board to fill in the details. If it was 55 at Ais Gill summit, how does that compare with the Duke and Duchess?

Mediocre from BIL, those sparkling runs from two or three years ago seem to have gone. Was it just managing the water situation? The run from Carlisle to Appleby wasn't wonderful either. Only the crews and the engineers will know.

 

46229 was 54mph at the summit on her record run.
In comparison, Tornado was 37mph at the summit 16/09/2017 also with 13 on and no Appleby stop.

 

I anybody has a full log of the run south over the S&D the please could you send me a PM. Thanks

 

And a bit more - in addition to the time it was stationary at Appleby, there will be the time for reducing speed over some distance for the stop, then the restart with the time it took to attain line speed with 13 on.

 

117 mins was the running time excluding the stopped time at Appleby. Five mins was what I was allowing for slowing down and the restart which is level or slightly downhill to the start of the climb at Ormside.

 

If only a run over the S&D was still possible. <BJ>

 

Going away.

 

A shattering crescendo of Peppercorn Prowess !

 

Timed 60163 between Angerholme overbridge and the road bridge using @green five's video (thanks) - gives average speed of 54.8mph.

 

I hope someone can provide a log and a calculation of power output. My rough calculation shows that a sustained 55 mph with that train up 1 in 100 would require well over 2000 edhp. That's a plausible figure for a class 8 Pacific but would mean a lot of shovelling.

 

Birkett, could hear it all the way from Kirkby with the NW wind, wonderful experience. We had a phone message from someone on the train whilst stood in the gallery, that it had stopped at Appleby?

 

Plugging some numbers into the RPS spreadsheet, Tornado, 13 coaches, 1/100r, sustained 55mph produces . . . 2650 edhp. Always, of course, subject to a margin of error. Very impressive but a figure that Tornado has reached before. As you say plenty of coal went into the firebox - well done the crew!

 

60163 approaching Greenhead & crossing Birkett Common.




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Phil

 

I am not a professional timer, the speed at Appleby was 62 and Ais Gill 52.8
Carlisle Dep 17-09 Ais Gill 18-07