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LMS Patriot Project Updates

Rasprava u 'Steam Traction' pokrenuta od Gav106, 10. Travanj 2011..

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  1. Hermod

    Hermod Well-Known Member

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    I have read that mr Webb arranged that Crewe could cast such wheels centrifugally in Steel.
    Is it still done this way and where?
     
    Hermod, 6. Lipanj 2021.
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  2. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    ‘Perchance it not dead but sleepeth’ to use a quote regarding another project. :)
     
    Matt37401, 6. Lipanj 2021.
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    osprey Resident of Nat Pres

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    I doubt it...but....
     
    osprey, 6. Lipanj 2021.
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  4. Ian Milne

    Ian Milne New Member

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    Latest engineering update suggests that all driving wheels are defective. Not looking as though this project will reach the finish line any time soon
     
    Ian Milne, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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  5. osprey

    osprey Resident of Nat Pres

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    Just recieved that info....aaaaargh...
     
    osprey, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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    jnc Well-Known Member

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    If so, apparently the removal of that one wheel isn't what caused the problem.

    Credit to the group for being open about the problem.

    Noel
     
    jnc, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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    Are you at liberty to disclose the nature of the defects? Any possibility of replacements paid for by whoever is deemed responsible?
     
    ghost, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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    Apparently I've spoken to linda westerman a admin and LMS Patriot worker at Stafford she says theres going to be AGM on the last saturday of July 2021 to decide about the way to recast all 6 driver wheels at Boro foundry maybe but the money will have to be raised again for the loco and probably to have qualified foundry casting folk to make sure the 6.9ft wheels don't have airline cracks or air bubbles whilst been allowed to slowly cool down, but its unlikely now, (I say this with a very sad heart) the LMS 5XP isent going to finished at least until 2024+ :mad::(:(:(:(:(:(
    Davo 56F with great disappointment.
     
    Davo, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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  9. Davo

    Davo Well-Known Member

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    But I do believe theres a wooden template for the Wheelpans still......:Morewaitingisrequired:
     
    Davo, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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  10. Richard Roper

    Richard Roper Well-Known Member

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    Aaaaaaaargh indeed. Horrible news. But not terminal. Maybe Boro Foundry will be extremely helpful in the casting of a new set?

    Richard.
     
    Richard Roper, 30. Lipanj 2021.
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  11. Matt37401

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    Haven’t Boro Foundry cast things for a few more new build projects? I’m wondering if this might affect those they’ve worked with, I’m thinking of a certain 2-6-2 up the road.
     
    Matt37401, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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  12. Flying Phil

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    I'm surprised that it has taken so long to find such a major problem, as these wheels were cast and machined a long time ago...
    From the Patriot website....
    "Engineering update - March 2013
    Submitted by admin on 31 March, 2013 - 09:38
    Stretcher number 5 - the final stretcher that is needed for 'The Unknown Warrior' was delivered to the Llangollen Railway Works during March, after being cast at the Boro Foundry. The Lye foundry near Stourbridge has previously cast the other four frame stretchers, bogie centre pin, and driving wheels for 'The Unknown Warrior'."

    Still I am sure they will overcome this latest set back.
    Could the old wheels be used for a non mainline certified 4-4-0 project?
     
    Flying Phil, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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    I can see what you are thinking...but as they are having to specifically calculate the balance weightings (from scratch) on the ones for that particular loco in order to for them to be cast and the certified once completed, the ones off the Patriot aren't likely to be suitable.......
    Legrandanglais would be able to give the definitive answer on that one, I would think!
     
    Johann Marsbar, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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  14. std tank

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    What are you implying?
     
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    What is the reason for the rejection of the wheels?
     
    W.Williams, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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    What awful news.
    There is always uncertainty in casting (see the Night Owl reports on casting the cylinder blocks).

    The question will be the cost and fund-raising.
     
    Bikermike, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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  17. marshall5

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    So the driving wheels weren't cast at Boro' Foundry ????? IIRC the pattern used was the one Tyseley had made for the damaged wheelset on Galatea - does anyone recollect who cast those for 45699?
    Ray.
     
    marshall5, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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    andalfi1 Well-Known Member

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    Evidently Boro Foundry is in Lye, Stourbridge, they are one and the same..
     
    andalfi1, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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  19. MellishR

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    There is always uncertainty, so there should be comprehensive inspection and testing before the castings are accepted and paid for. Presumably that didn't happen, or wasn't done adequately, but these wheels are not the only instance with this or other projects. It's especially unfortunate that these faults have taken so long to come to light, and that they're on a project which has suffered other setbacks.
     
    MellishR, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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  20. S.A.C. Martin

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    Very sad to read of this and I think on reflection there are many lessons to be learned. Wishing the group the best in sorting the issues out.
     
    S.A.C. Martin, 1. Srpanj 2021.
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