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Northern Belle 2021

Rasprava u 'What's Going On' pokrenuta od GWR4707, 25. Svibanj 2021..

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  1. Sam 60103

    Sam 60103 Member

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    Northern Belle next week diesel hauled throughout and as was feared 6201 Princess Elizabeth will be out of action for the foreseeable future. Not sure about loco haulage for remaining Northern Belle's in 2021 and in 2022 with Tangmere potentially going to be used and possibly Tornado as well. Hope that 6201 returns before too long but I must admit the situation doesn't sound good.
     
    Sam 60103, 18. Rujan 2021.
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  2. sgthompson

    sgthompson Part of the furniture Friend

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    sgthompson, 19. Rujan 2021.
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  3. Steamie Boxes

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    Steamie Boxes, 19. Rujan 2021.
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  4. sgthompson

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    Can’t see Tornado doing any tours around that time plus there’s a big Red Duchess that could do the job if asked I would say .
     
    sgthompson, 19. Rujan 2021.
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  5. Steamie Boxes

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    Is the Duchess actually in one piece since it was withdrawn from the SVR gala lineup?
     
    Steamie Boxes, 19. Rujan 2021.
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    That I don’t know.
     
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  7. John Merry

    John Merry New Member

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    I'm sure BIL has an air pump fitted? Was chuntering away on our trips to Scarborough and Carlisle this summer.
     
    John Merry, 19. Rujan 2021.
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    BIL is vac-braked only.
     
    Mick45305, 19. Rujan 2021.
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  9. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    West Coast locos generally do not have the facility to haul air braked trains. It is only anything they inherit - e.g. Tangmere - or have based at Carnforth - e.g. 6201 - with the option. That said, the policy doesn't seem to do them any harm and they do have sets of rolling stock that are dual braked - e.g. the London based CME/CCE set.
     
    Big Al, 20. Rujan 2021.
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    I wonder if regular Northern Belle work may change the economics of that decision? Having BIL air braked would make sense given it is a class 8. Probably not so much any of the smaller locos.
     
    acorb, 20. Rujan 2021.
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    If a steam loco, say BIL for example, piloted a diesel with dual braking capability, would that be able to work the Belle stock?
     
    Steamie Boxes, 20. Rujan 2021.
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  12. MikeParkin65

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    Thats Bulleid exhausts for you ;)
     
    MikeParkin65, 20. Rujan 2021.
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    The big question is how far 34067 is away from completion. Given that the NB usually has a diesel in the rear, a class 7 ought to be able to manage. There seem to be a lot of steam-hauled NB trips over the S&C for 2022, so either Tangmere isn't far off or else West Coast has something else up its sleeve, Of course, during the winter, one of the Riley "Fives" might be available, although I notice that the steam-hauled Christmas lunch trips booked for Black Five haulage have disappeared from the NB website.
     
    John Petley, 20. Rujan 2021.
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    The article suggests 6201's boiler being close to a needing a ten year overhaul .

    I thought it reappeared around 2015/2016 , short spell of running , Butterley , then to Carnforth where it returned for the Northern Belle working . It doesn't feel that it has earned a great deal in that time . I suspect a hard discussion on its future may be about to happen
     
    Sidmouth, 20. Rujan 2021.
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  15. Sam 60103

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    Mid 2016 then ran for about 6 months and then was out of service until early 2019. Then ran from March 2019 to June/July 2021.
     
    Sam 60103, 20. Rujan 2021.
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    I guess it will be greatly influenced by the commercial value of it as a steam loco (and hence a selling point) for the NB operation.
     
    Gladiator 5076, 20. Rujan 2021.
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  17. Davo

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    I think though when Lizzys boiler was revamped retubed at 10A it was only given a 3 year extension on her boiler ticket back in 2018 and as for 34067 Tangmere according to one of the W.C.R.C. stewards on the pendle dalesmans I went on 34067 overhaul could be finished in a year and also said it could take 2 years maximum time depending on funds to complete its overhaul.
     
    Davo, 20. Rujan 2021.
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  18. Sam 60103

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    How longs the K1 going to be out of service? The reason is this could free up one of the Riley Black 5s.
     
    Sam 60103, 20. Rujan 2021.
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    At a guess Sam 2 years according to the N.E.L.P.G. for overhaul.
     
    Davo, 20. Rujan 2021.
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  20. Sam 60103

    Sam 60103 Member

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    Ok thanks. That would mean all Riley 5s at Fort William next year for most of the season.
     
    Sam 60103, 20. Rujan 2021.
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