D. Drummond locos of the LSWR

I have added a lor of new photos of D. Drummond LSWR T9 ‘Greyhound’ locomotive
Part 1 features the locos in the S.R. era
Including this photo, maybe a funeral train
773 on a unknown working photo on headboard of someone called 'Mr C' (only info on back of photo)
https://tinyurl.com/y3saktfm

also Included a number of photos of 120 specially painted in LSWR and working rail tours
120 unknown rail tour
https://tinyurl.com/3fxfhev6
unknown shed location
https://tinyurl.com/2atn4r25

Full collection of over 45 new photos starts here with
116 Eastleigh shed 13th September 1936
https://tinyurl.com/yehsadhn
to
119 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/33syy5ra
to
303 Converted to oil burning 1947. Laid aside in October 1948 for reconversion to coal firing, never did and scrapped in 1951.
https://tinyurl.com/mvdvhpsb

Neil
https://tinyurl.com/y3saktfm

 

Hi Neil,

There are some rare pictures in that selection. Some notes on locations
34/158 30120 Waterloo
52/158 119 Eastleigh Works
63/158 280 Bere Alston?
78/158 312 Eastleigh Works (Canteen in background)
90/158 716 Eastleigh Depot
96/158 30283 Eastleigh
113 & 114/158 116 Eastleigh Works (As 111/158)
119/158 119 Clapham Cutting
137/158 305 Special from Southampton Line.
151/158 717 Earlsfield
152/158 718 Earlsfield (See 142/158)

Cheers, Neil

 

I have added a lot of new photos of D. Drummond LSWR T9 ‘Greyhound’ locomotive
Part 2 features the locos in the B.R. era
Including this colour photo of
30117 unknown location LCGB The Solent Limited rail tour 30th April 1961
https://tinyurl.com/yweddcke
nearly 50 new photos start here with
30120 at Dorchester 22nd March 1953
https://tinyurl.com/huapzyp
to
30287 approaching Bincombe North Tunnel with R.C.T.S. (London Branch) The Wessex Wyvern 8th July 1956
https://tinyurl.com/zne5fw
to
30301 + 30732 at Privett with R.C.T.S. (London Branch) The Hampshireman 6th February 1955
https://tinyurl.com/e6f9jvkv
to
30733
https://tinyurl.com/4cb77mwd

Neil

 

A few more locations and comments.
172/206 30267 Possibly Brockenhurst with the lattice footbridge not connected to the platforms.
188/206 30702 Salisbury
190/206 30707 is in the country end of the Up Salisbury Loop, which I don't think was reversibly signalled in the 1950's. I suspect that it was attaching extra
vehicles to the rear of an up train.

Cheers, Neil

 

I have added a lot of new photos of D. Drummond LSWR L11 class 4-4-0
The London and South Western Railway L11 class was a class of 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for mixed traffic work. They were introduced in 1903 and were nicknamed "Large Hoppers". As with most other Drummond productions, the locomotive had two inside cylinders and Stephenson link valve gear.
The L11 class was one of a number of designs by Dugald Drummond incorporating a large proportion of standard parts that could be interchanged with other classes of locomotive. The boiler was interchangeable with the T9 class, and likewise was equipped with water tubes fitted across the firebox combustion space, with the aim of increasing heating surface whilst facilitating water circulation; this device however also increased maintenance costs and was soon removed by Drummond's successor, Robert Urie.
The L11 class was never equipped with a superheater as was applied to other Drummond types. The class was coupled to a six-wheeled tender as standard, although from time to time they had the Drummond eight-wheeled 'watercart' by way of tender interchange.
Eight locomotives were converted to oil firing as part of government trials in 1947 to 1948.
None have survived.

Including this photo of
30175 Gosport 1950
https://tinyurl.com/ybmdrnmz
LSWR era
441 with refrigerator vans Southampton docks c1910
https://tinyurl.com/x4rkdwxr
new photos of S.R. era start here
134 Eastleigh 12th July 1947
https://tinyurl.com/5xm4yp3n
to
441 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/xfryaxx3
B.R. era start here
30175 leaving Southampton Central with the 5.34pm Eastleigh to Brockenhurst service 10th May 1951
https://tinyurl.com/shcfucfe

Neil

 

The London and South Western Railway C14 class was a class of ten 2-2-0 tank locomotives intended to work push–pull trains on lightly used lines in 1907.
During the first few years of the twentieth century the London and South Western Railway became concerned about losses incurred on several branch and short-distance passenger services, and began to experiment with the use of steam-powered railmotors. The resulting units proved to be under-powered during the summer months when traffic was higher, and also inflexible, as the power unit was permanently connected to the coach. As an alternative Dugald Drummond designed a class of small 2-2-0 tank locomotives, based on the railmotor power units, which could be coupled to one or more carriages to cater for different levels of load . These were specifically equipped for push-pull working. As built, the outside cylinders were situated between the leading and driving wheels.
The C14 class were tried out on a number of services during 1907. They were found to be more flexible than the railmotors but suffered from the same lack of power, as a result no further examples were built and the existing examples were gradually transferred to light shunting tasks or else were put into store
Even had a turn on rail tour duty
30589 passing site of Dunley Halt with R.C.T.S. (S. of E. Branch) Bishops Waltham Branch Rail Tour 14th June 1952
https://tinyurl.com/h96tdzt2
77 (former 3745 Became Service Department loco DS77 in 1927 based at Redbridge Sleeper depot until withdrawal) Drummond C14
https://tinyurl.com/uphmjm3n

Neil

 

I have added over 50 new photos of Drummond’s LSWR 700 class 0-6-0

The locomotives gained the nickname 'Black Motor' early in their career. They were well designed and had few major modifications during the existence of the fleet – the exception being fitted with superheaters from 1919 to 1929, which required the fitting of an extended smokebox. They shared many standard parts with Drummond's other designs (including sharing boilers with the M7 class).

Including railtour duty for
30350 with the G.R. Lockie organised 'Portsmouth and District Line Centenary 1859-1959' special 25th January 1959
https://tinyurl.com/avhwh6ry
New photos start here with
S.R. era
309 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/5x2fwfdc
to 699 Eastleigh works 26th July 1947
https://tinyurl.com/rn246hm3
B.R. era
30306 at Eastleigh
https://tinyurl.com/yhv77n97
to 30309
https://tinyurl.com/4d39mpk6
to 30368 & snowplough
https://tinyurl.com/d4pu3sra
to 30700
https://tinyurl.com/mzjsendv

Neil

 

Hi Neil,

A couple of comments
46/84 30308 is on the Up Local at Allbrook Jn. Quite a lot of the train is coal empties , so the train is probably en route to Basingstoke or Reading West Yard.
56/84 30350 Probably Guildford platform 2

Cheers, Neil

 

The LSWR D15 class 4-4-0 was the last steam locomotive design by Dugald Drummond for the London and South Western Railway in 1912. By 1912, Dugald Drummond had built several classes of unsuccessful 4-6-0 express passenger locomotives. The result of these failures was that when he designed what was to be his last class in 1911, a new 4-4-0 design emerged from Eastleigh Works in February 1912, with what was to be the first of his D15 class. Just 10 locos built 463-472/30463-30472

Including this wintry photo of
30470 passing Millbank with a Eastleigh to Bournemouth service 16th February 1950
https://tinyurl.com/a7rs72jb
LSWR era photos start here
https://tinyurl.com/yt2xhvuv
S.R. photos start here
https://tinyurl.com/4e2mykv3
B.R. era photos start here
https://tinyurl.com/y57xcfpn
to
https://tinyurl.com/yjdd7p2f

Neil

 

Hi Neil,

A few updates and corrections
1/44 464 Eastleigh Works
9 & 11/44 465 Eastleigh Shed
38/44 468 Eastleigh Works
42/44 30470 Millbrook not Millbank
43/44 30470 Possibly the Eastleigh end of Fareham.

Cheers, Neil

 

I have added over 15 new photos of Drummond’s LSWR K10 Class 4-4-0
The London and South Western Railway K10 Class was a class of 40 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for mixed traffic work. They were introduced on the London and South Western Railway in 1901 and 1902 to the design of Dugald Drummond, where they earned the nickname "Small Hoppers".
Couple of photos from LSWR era
145 passing Wimbledon with a Southampton train via the main line 4 coach Lav set leading c1922
https://tinyurl.com/3r7zpn5d
345 leaving Alton with a Winchester toSouthampton service 1910 Drummond K10 4-4-0
https://tinyurl.com/3r7zpn5d
all the rest of the new photos are from S.R. era
starting here with
139 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/2p82kf9t
to
389 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/mr456mfp

Neil

 

Hi Neil,

A few comments on the K10 pictures.
45/79 380 is Clapham Jn.
75/79 345 Not Alton. The only SB west of Alton (Butts Jn) was on the north of the line.
I suspect that it is Woodmill SB between St Denys and Swaythling judging by the house to the right of the picture and the road underbridge.
Woodmill SB was replaced by intermediate block signals in the 1930's.
77/79 386 Too many sidings and connections for Winchfield before widening to 4 tracks in the early 1900's I think that it's Havant.
(LBSCR coaches in left hand bay.)

Cheers, Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos of Drummond’s LSWR K10 Class 4-4-0
The London and South Western Railway L12 class was a class of 20 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for express passenger work by Dugald Drummond. They were introduced to the London and South Western Railway network in 1904. Despite the class being an unremarkable continuation of the Drummond lineage, one member was involved in the infamous Salisbury rail crash in June 1906. None of the class survived into preservation after their brief career in British Railways ownership.
Including this photos of
430 with Royal Train head code & embellishments but ordinary rolling stock
https://tinyurl.com/yzjrdm5t
LSWR era photos start here with
417 at Waterloo with a service for Southampton c1913 (alongside Drummond T9 703)
https://tinyurl.com/29mu3hsk
S.R. era starts here with
418 Eastleigh
https://tinyurl.com/yc8hycry
to
434 near Andover with a down Salisbury service 1938
https://tinyurl.com/52s627v4
B.R. era starts here with
30415 Eastleigh
https://tinyurl.com/2s3bf5v7
to
30434 Brockenhurst
https://tinyurl.com/yckfrtju

Neil

 

I have added over 115 new photos to the collection of Drummond’s LSWR M7 Class 0-4-4T
Including these photos
126 was altered in 1921 to superheating which resulted in its boiler being raised, Urie style stovepipe chimney fitted and smokebox extended.
https://tinyurl.com/2p8hxx66
and
30251 (look at kids on top of loco in the right background) Eastleigh open day August 1960
https://tinyurl.com/m4d8z7a9
just one new photo of LSWR livery
47 Clapham Jct 30th August 1934? (unsure if this date is correct)
https://tinyurl.com/y776hntd
S.R. era new photos start here with
43 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/5e4ndyuf
to
357 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/mr43rb5h
B.R. era starts here with
30025 at Eastleigh
https://tinyurl.com/2p8c8fhh
to
30671 Exmouth Jct
https://tinyurl.com/2p97u2dh

Neil

 

I have added a new collection of Drummonds designs of the LSWR
This collection features the S11 4-4-0 class
Including this ex works photo of
30400 Eastleigh shed 19th August 1952
https://tinyurl.com/yckmtytx
Just 1 photo in LSWR era
397 unknown location
https://tinyurl.com/3rca4uyy
S.R. era start here with
395 at Nine Elms
https://tinyurl.com/yaeswd3a
B.R. era starts here with
30397
https://tinyurl.com/4pn2xdk7

Neil

 

The LSWR Class T7 4-2-2-0 was a prototype express steam locomotive design by Dugald Drummond for the London and South Western Railway introduced in 1897. Five similar locomotives, classified E10, were introduced in 1901.
Number 720 was a prototype locomotive built in 1897 and classified T7. The layout was unusual and influenced by Francis Webb's 3-cylinder compound locomotives introduced in 1883 on the London and North Western Railway (LNWR) that employed two pairs of uncoupled driving wheels; the Drummond locomotives were always known as the "double singles". Five similar locomotives, numbers 369-373, were built in 1901 and classified E10.
Aims
In the case of Drummond, the main motive appears to have been to obtain maximum grate area in a period where low-pitched boilers were the norm and the firebox had to be set low between the frames. This limited the width of the grate whilst its length depended on the distance between the coupled axles minus the throw of eventual inside cranks; at the same time there was a reluctance to make the coupling rods too long due to concern about material resistance, for a broken coupling rod flailing away under a locomotive could wreak tremendous havoc. One way out of the impasse was to eliminate the coupling rods altogether and to have two independent pairs of driving wheels each pair driven by its own cylinders.
The first engineer known to have adopted this solution was Francis Webb, followed by Alfred de Glehn in France who initially combined divided drive and independent driving axles, finally opting solely for the former whilst coupling the driving wheels. The aforementioned engineers locomotives were compounds and the layout was also a way of separating high-pressure from low-pressure drive trains.
In 1905, number 720 was rebuilt with a larger boiler with the diameter increased from 4 foot 5.5 inches (1.4 m) to 4 foot 10.75 inches (1.5 m). The E10s were not rebuilt.

T7 Prototype 720 start here with
720 with a Waterloo to West of England service
https://tinyurl.com/53thk9dc
E10 locos start here
https://tinyurl.com/yckkymdk
to
https://tinyurl.com/44frbr5f

Neil

 

Hi Neil,

A few locations to fill in detail.
4/17 720 Raynes Park - signal box in the background which matches the layout until 1990
13 & 14/17 371 Windsor Line platforms at Waterloo with the new (current) station building in the background.
17/17 372 Probably Earlsfield Cutting

Cheers, Neil

 

Drummond LSWR T14 4-6-0 'paddleboxes
The LSWR Class T14 was a class of ten 4-6-0 locomotives designed by Dugald Drummond for express passenger use on the London and South Western Railway and constructed at Eastleigh in 1911–12
Dugald Drummond's success with his previous 4-4-0 designs created a new problem. His new and robust designs allowed the timetables to be accelerated, and it soon became clear that passenger locomotives with greater power were needed. This was especially true when the LSWR's passenger requirements were increasing with lengthened, heavier rolling stock that needed to keep up with faster point-to-point schedules.
However, Drummond knew that this could only be achieved via the use of the 4-6-0 wheel arrangement and a multiple-cylinder layout. He had already introduced the F13, E14, G14 and P14 as new classes of 4-6-0, but they had all fallen significantly short of keeping pace with the increasing demands of traffic
Despite his track record, Drummond decided to return to the 4-6-0 wheel arrangement. This was because such a design had been proven on other railways such as the Great Central, and the additional traction provided by an extra pair of driving wheels was useful in starting heavy trains The resultant design, class T14, incorporated many features seen previously on his other 4-6-0 designs, the Drummond lipped chimney, large splashers However, driving wheel diameter was increased by seven inches to 6' 7", and these were powered by four cylinders set in line in an arrangement similar to German practice in the first years of the 20th century. Divided drive was retained with the inside cylinders driving the front axle whilst the outside ones propelled the second axle. Steam distribution was by two sets of Walschaerts valve gear on the outside, the motion of the inside valves being derived through rockers. Six locomotives (447 and 458–62) were fitted with Drummond's smokebox superheater, the other four used saturated steam. They were fitted with Drummond's patent cross water tubes in the firebox.These were later removed by R.W.Urie, who also fitted them with a conventional 'Eastleigh' smoke tube superheater with extended smokebox.
However, despite a definite improvement in performance over his previous 4-6-0 designs, the class was still plagued by heavy coal and water consumption combined with the serious mechanical problem of hot axle boxes, which had also afflicted all his previous 4-6-0s
Maunsell's modifications
Between 1930 and 1931, Richard Maunsell, who was adept at improving locomotives by redesigning and simplifying them, applied his principles to all members of the class. The infamous Drummond 'paddlebox' splashers over the driving wheels were removed to be replaced by a simple raised running plate A further improvement was the installation of mechanical lubricators; this in tandem with the removal of the bulky "paddlebox" splashers went some way towards curing the problem of over-heated axle boxes He also fitted his own design of superheater, and reduced the boiler pressure to 175 lbf/in². However, the locomotive still used a lot of coal and water, resulting in an overall lack of any improvement in performance. (from Wiki)

443 in LSWR livery as built with splashers
https://tinyurl.com/ycktdu32
458 at Nine Elms after Maunsell modifications
https://tinyurl.com/payff9a2
Full collection starts here with
LSWR era
https://tinyurl.com/22xumkzz
S.R. era starts here
https://tinyurl.com/yckmpvnw

Neil

 

Neil,

A few locations to fill in gaps
4/25 443 Eastleigh
5/25 443 Clapham Cutting
16/25 459 Yes, Raynes Park
18/25 460 Wimbledon West Jn
20/25 461 Exeter Central same as 22/25 and 23/25.

Cheers, Neil

 

Drummonds F13 design had originally been intended to operate expresses between Salisbury and Exeter, but were unsuccessful resulting in their operation lasting only a year.[7] The class saw more success when rostered to operate on the less arduous stretch of track between Salisbury and Southampton, hauling coal trains between these two destinations, a far cry from their intended role.
One, number 333 was fitted with an Eastleigh superheater in 1920, but the class was deemed a failure and withdrawn in 1924, although 334 had been laid aside since the end of 1921. All were rebuilt into H15 class 4-6-0s.
Just 2 photos in this collection
https://tinyurl.com/3m627nzr

Neil.