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Lynton and Barnstaple - Operations and Development

Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by 50044 Exeter, Dec 25, 2009.

  1. meeee

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    Adequate ventilation is quite important for carriage sheds. Really what you want is something that keeps the rain off but also provides plenty of airflow to carry moisture away. Even a permanent structure can cause problems in this area. The old loco shed at Boston Lodge was particularly poor for keeping coaches in having no ventilation to speak of.

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    Quite :) No doubt at some stage, and somewhere, the shed from WB may well play a part.

    In the meantime, might I ask please what your understanding is of the future operating pattern of the L&BR for Phase 2A?
     
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    Correct. And some carriage sheds have been built with this in mind. I know the new-ish shed at Rolvenden has a good air gap at the base, and I think the shed at Swithland, too, to encourage rising airflow. Having said that, I'm not sure if the Bluebell's OP4 incorporates this feature, having a brick plinth. I'd be surprised if this had been overlooked. But certainly, yes- polytunnels and polycovers are anathema to timber built carriages. Hopefully the plans for Blackmoor take this into account, also.
     
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    Thomas, the next time you are rostered for duty, just ask those in charge what the plans are for the WB shed once it is replaced by the new facilities at Blackmoor. They will know better than anyone here on Nat. Pres.
    Purely conjecture, but I would imagine that the shed will remain in situ for some years, until it can be
    moved to a new, Lynton-bound railhead - perhaps at Caffyns? All subject of course to requirements, planning, TWAO, finance, etc. etc. In the meantime, there is plenty of work to be completed first.
     
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    Yes thank you Martyn, I was intending to question the opinions of the people in this group. The question of what will happen to the shed at Woody bay has been discussed so many times but seemingly no one has analysed it's replacement to judge whether it will meet all of the lines needs.
     
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    That may be true eventually but doesn’t mean all those buildings would necessarily be ready on the day L&B opens to Blackmoor, if only because of the cost.
     
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    So, the first question is - what are the perceived needs of the line? Hence my question on post 4642 :)

    There are (at least) three separate, but related, issues here:-

    1. What are the operational needs of Phase 2A, specifically with regard to WB?
    2. How will the Lynton end of WB be re-organised to meet those needs?
    3. With the presumption that the shed will need to be (re)moved, what will happen to it afterwards?

    So far, there appears - last time that I asked - to be no formally-ratified decisions in respect of Q1. I drafted a paper about Q2 last year (with regard to its impact on signalling design for alterations to the Phase 1 infrastructure at WB), but that is 'on hold' pending the answers to Q1. At the moment Q3 appear to be simply the subject of speculation and 'what if' suggestions - no problem with that, but IMHO not a firm basis for serious planning.
     
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    Looking on as an outsider, I don't think the L & B can really make any concrete decisions on how they will operate in the future until they start running trains to and from Blackamoor. Unless they have a crystal ball it will be pretty difficult to know where their passengers will be starting their journey in the future, unlike the present moment. It's been mentioned up thread that there is a hope/expectation that visitors will drive to Blackamoor and use it as a park and ride to visit Lynton and Lynmouth. That might happen to some extent but those coming from the east are not going to drive past Lynton just so they can park and then travel back on the train. It doesn't make sense unless all visitor parking in Lynton & Lynmouth is done away with.. There's also an awful lot more populated land mass to the east of Lynton than there is to the west of Blackamoor so I can see the major traffic flow being people wanting to take a ride on the railway and starting from the Lynton end. I certainly don't see it as being a one-way traffic, in which case some facilities at the Lynton end will be as important as at the Blackamoor end unless you want to effectively have an ecs at each end of the day.
     
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    The NYMR's carriage barn has been built with more or less fully open sides supposedly for this reason, but the downside is that it provides no security whatsoever for the contents. Since carriage sheds tend to be large buildings it would seem sensible to mount solar panels on the roof and use them to drive air circulation fans in an enclosed building. There would have to be a battery system interspersed to maintain 24 hr power but that's not a huge technical leap.
     
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    Some observations....

    1. If the railway does not make any 'concrete decisions' until after Phase 2A is operational, how will it know what it needs to provide in terms of services, facilities etc in readiness for the start of operations from Blackmoor (BR)?

    2. I would argue that the 'business case' for Phases 2A and 2B is predicated on directing visitors to BR and its P&R as their starting point. One of the 'selling points' of the rebuild of the railway is reduction of road traffic north of BR.

    3. You may well be right about much custom coming from the east along the A39, but until Phase 2B is operational then that traffic will still have to drive from Lynton at least to Woody Bay anyway. So they could board their train there - as they do at present - and travel past the now-vanished Killington Lane to BR and back. Some may well decide simply to drive on to BR and make just the shorter round-trip from BR to Whistlandpound and back. It is probable IMHO that, while only Phase 2A is operational, the 'attractions' at BR (watching Up and Down trains passing, movements in/out of the Depot, maybe visitor access to the Depot?, the pub/restaurant etc ) may prove more enticing than WB.

    I'm not sure that Blackamoor is a wise word to use these days...:)
     
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    What's wrong with a run of iron railings along the circulation gap? Simple 'park fence' or something cast, proudly displaying the railway's initials, like the bench seats and decorative awnings brackets of old?

    For energy conservation and management, you could do worse than take a look at the VoR's recent installation at Aberystwyth.
     
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    I bet Steve has been driving past the Blackamoor Inn outside Ripon on his way to the NYMR - it is hard to miss it if you go that way!:)

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    I believe that is why the proposed sheds are quite large.

    Regarding PW - I have no idea, but I would assume the vehicles would be stored in the sheds and ballast, sleepers, rail etc would be stored at an appropriate location along the line out of sight of the general public.
     
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    My understanding is that the planning conditions mean that everything has to be finished before the railway opens. Happy to be corrected on that
     
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    But they're not, they are only big enough for 4 locos and 3 sets of 4 coaches.
     
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    Well the railway currently doesn't have 12 carriages (and in all likelihood won't have when Blackmoor comes into operation), so it would seem logical that some of the carriage storage area could be used for PW/locos etc. With all due respect, I think you are looking for problems to suit your answer of 'Woody Bay shed'
     
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    The railway does indeed have to make concrete decisions when phase 2A becomes operational but they are going to be fingers in the air as it will have nothing to base things on. Unless it assumes that all traffic starts from Woody Bay, that is, and that may turn out to be the reality.
    Not sure why I put Blackamoor.:( You could be right about the Inn near Ripon. I drove past it a couple of weeks ago but not on my way to the NYMR.
     
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    how many of the wsr carriages are new builds,paid for by members/supporters,thats the difference
     
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    maybe i didnt explain very well,the agricultural type polytunnel i was referring to is basically just the roof part designed to cover silage clamps,they can easily have the sides partly sheeted too,also many years ago the railway had its own carriage trailer but that was sold by the current managment some years ago,the barns at rowley moor could have been repared and altered to provide a temporary carriage workshop,paint shop and winter storage,the only thing needed to be hired would have been a tractor unit and driver
     
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    and that was a total waste of money,anyone with an ounce of common sense or a motorhome would have realised how useless these covers are
     

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