P2 Locomotive Company and related matters

There used to be a thread for the P2 also . . .

 

I was thrown by the suggestion that Green and Blacks is posh… (cue chippy northern outrage in 5… 4… etc.)



Simon

 

Back on topic, I'm surprised no one has posted some proper links to @IamDaniel 's great photos and video from the cylinder bloc unveiling.

You can see them at https://twitter.com/Thatcargeek/status/1583827973706117120 even if you don't 'do' Twitter.

Simon

 

They’re a bit infra dig since being taken over by Cadburys. Personally, I go for Hotel Chocolot, though they’re becoming a bit too widespread to be considered posh…


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So Cylinder block tick, wheeled chassis tick, tender tick, boiler later next year tick, whats left to do .... Valve gear ?
are we looking at early 2024 ?

 

Current thinking within the Trust is 2 years to completion, depending on the flow of funds. There is still some development work needed on details of the valve gear involving specialists - the likes of Cosworth have been mentioned. Once in steam, I expect a lengthy period of testing and finessing may be needed, considering the untried nature of some of the newly-designed components. Experimenting with different cam profiles could be one thing to look out for.

 

As I understand it, it can go everywhere where Tornado can go. That was one of the initial identified design requirements.

 

While the A1 Trust have historically shown just how rapidly they are able to work, I wouldn't underestimate just how time-consuming all the fiddly little things are to do on a steam engine. Stuff like lubrication pipework - there's an awful lot if it to do on a loco like that; it involves making lots of pipes and clips and fasteners; and it is all pretty much bespoke.

From observation of other new builds, often the big, eye-catching stuff is actually quite quick, and then you can have months of hard work when very little happens. You could re-wheel a loco in a day and it looks like massive progress, then spend three months attaching lubrication pipes to fasteners between the frames and it looks like nothing has happened.

Tom

 

Ooh, a P2 Coswworth! Nice thought!

No, give over, that's just silly...!

Richard.

 

Massive spoiler on the back of the tender and going sideways into ditches most of the time?

 

Yes, but it would be nice to see a gaggle of P2s racing about.
Well done on the cylinder block, that is a very neat and complex fabrication.

 

Buy the RS500 version instead....

Tim Harvey’s Labatt’s BTCC Sierra RS500 Cosworth. ** FOR SALE ** - YouTube

 

Depends what loco you're firing...

 

You have to feel packets these days to establish if there's actually anything in em....

 

Green and Black? - I thought for a moment that we were off on another livery debate, but see that this is far worse.........

Peter

 

Wouldn't have had you down for a 'House of the Dragon' fan, Tom ....

 

The German patent Office takes it very seriously...and the USA one, more so. Here we are a bit lax but the laws exist, but with patent barristers charging upwards to £2k/hr it's very daunting for an individual, not so a big corporate body.

 

Someone I know well has her own website. Several years ago she saw an article in a Sunday newspaper which had a reference to a nearby business, illustrating the article with a photo of a boat belonging to that business. She thought it would be a nice gesture to give that firm a bit of free publicity on her website's weekly update and copied a link to the newspaper article. So far so good. No harm done.

She also reinforced the link by including the photo of the boat from the article header, just to catch the eye of her small number of readers. Oh dear.

The website page was lost in the mists of time as new updates were added at intervals and it was forgotten about.

5 years later she received a letter from a company that said they specialised in chasing up copyright. They said she had used an image belonging to one of their clients (a news agency - not the boat company) without permission and for continued use over the period of 5 years the licence for this image was something over £500. They provided a link to her website, and there was the photo of the boat. She thought it was a scam so she just ignored the letter. She ignored the follow-up that came a few weeks later too. When they got in touch once more, giving the name of a firm of solicitors in Scotland, she thought it was worth checking after all, so she looked up a contact number for the solicitors and phoned them. They confirmed that the company who had sent the initial letter was a client of theirs and it was a bona fide claim.

Now she contacted the company and gave them an explanation of what had happened. It was, she said an innocent mistake and she had not benefitted financially from the image use. She expected that they would see reason and accept her apology. They were sypathetic to her explanation, but they weren't going to withdraw their claim.

After much to-ing and fro-ing. They were threatening legal action so to avoid the expense of solicitors she agreed to pay a lower offer of a sum that was north of £200 to cover their ongoing costs and the claim was settled.

So be careful when using images that you don't have permission for. Even an innocent mistake can be expensive.

 

It is also a breach to use a photograph as a basis of a painting of said photograph no matter what style it is. You have to be aware also, that some works of art are covered by copyright whoever owns it, provided the copyright has been renewed. So in theory you could be "done" for copying a work of art of a great age.