UKR Medway Pullman - 26/11/22

Any chance of either of you posting? (Maybe best in the Photography section rather than here.)

 

See previous post

 

The rail strike just announced for 26 November involves drivers from 12 TOCs. I wonder if this will affect this tour, even if only to clear the road! Getting to the tour to travel may pose problems for many.

 

Southeastern drivers will be on strike, so it might be one of the few trains running in Kent that day!

 

Indeed. Makes 'chasing' the tour by train well nigh impossible and makes getting to the tour as a passenger difficult too.

 

Sorry, I'm confused. You posted a still. I was hoping for video clips.

 

Sorry, my video clip is buried in the depth of an old format and I do not currently have time to find it

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I have now found my clip of Tangmere at Folkestone harbour in 2007 and posted it on YouTube. The link is https://studio.youtube.com/video/q5-fTHJEzLc/edit

 

Try

 

Hmm, that slip was allowed to go on far too long. Given the speed of the train, it looks as if it was extremely close to stalling, and therefore under-powered (or 'under-tractive-efforted'!). A Bo-Bo at the front would be far from sure-footed on that gradient and BBs certainly aren't noted for it! One would have hoped that lessons had been learned from 'Blue Peter' about slip controlling, and that steam would not be allowed out when in severe risk of slipping to a stand, but Bearsted bank a few years back seemed to show that such lessons are hard to absorb!

 

That's an interesting criticism. So how would you have got that slip under control any quicker? There is usually more to it than just closing the regulator, because often it won't close without dropping towards mid-gear first. As the video shows the driver took about 5 seconds to get the slip under control which suggests to me that he was on the ball.

Peter

 

So are you saying that, almost by definition, all such slips have to go on that long? Clearly that is not the case, as innumerable slips are controlled before they get anywhere near that intensity. On top of that, the driver should have been fully aware that it was 99%+ likely that there would be such a slip in that situation and therefore be poised immediately to control it, rather than, in other circumstances, perhaps being caught partly off-guard by a random slip and having to react from a position of surprise.

 

Not quite as simple as that. There’s quite a volume of steam between the regulator valve and the cylinders, it’s not just like easing off the gas in a car. Have a look next time you see a loco starting away, there’s a short delay between opening the regulator and anything happening while the circuit fills with steam

 

Would a Class 67 be equivalent to three R1s up a 1 in 30? Maybe the point about underpowered has something going for it.

Six Bells 27/1/07 makes an interesting read. It seems Tangmere took the train unaided out of Victoria. At least two other runs happened later that year with Lord Nelson but with those the loco was on the front and the diesel on the back from Harbour.

I can't recall what happened in ye olden days. Did the loco come off at the top of the hill and the R1s attach to both front and back? My first trip down there was in '63 when the 4-CEPs had taken over.

 

Nothing larger than R1s or, in later years, pannier tanks ever went down to the harbour as far as I know. I remember my father taking me to Folkstone Junction Station as a 10 year old when we were on holiday in the area to see a Britannia (70004 or 14) waiting at Junction for the Arrow. In those days the service was out via Dover and back via Folkstone.

 

No, I completely agree, but it is absolutely is not unavoidable to have a slip of that intensity, especially when it must have been totally expected as soon as it hit the 1 in 30. All old history now anyway, and probably diverting the thread too much.

 

Three R1s (or panniers) would have a lot of grip through their 18 driving wheels' rail contact, while a Bo-Bo diesel, despite having 3,000-odd hp, has only eight points of tractive contact with the rails, although the axle loading is higher. I seem to recall a single 0-6-0T banking three at the head and vice-versa, but may be wrong.

 

Do you drive many steam locos?

 

Thanks for correcting my link

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