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Hughes & Stanier 'Crabs'

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  1. neildimmer

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    Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

    The locos were given the nickname ‘Crabs’

    This first collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ in the LMS 1926-1933 numbering

    This collection includes now preserved 13000
    13000 unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/bdbzw3v4
    and in the NRM now
    https://tinyurl.com/5x2jcku7

    Full collection of over 65 photos starts here with
    13004
    https://tinyurl.com/2s4d4kvw
    to
    13225
    https://tinyurl.com/27sjadfy

    Neil
     
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    55 / 67 = Pert South [duplicates 54 / 67
     
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    First time I’ve ever heard of the Stanier locos being called that … every days a school day.
     
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    It seems to have been a short term misdemeanour by the spotting fraternity. Mostly they were known as Stanier Crabs or simply Crabs by enginemen, same as the Horwich 2-6-0s.
     
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    2 / 62 = Leicester Midland shed

    37 / 62 = Ellenbrook [duplicates 36 / 62
     
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    96/301 is London St Pancras , Looks like 42744 is about to take a Midland line relief train away .300/301 is Wellingboro', with number 2 roundhouse in the background ,42825 ,one of the Reidinger poppet valve engines .This 17B Burton on Trent loco' ,is almost certainly on a class C fully fitted Burton beer train to Sommers town(St Pancras )
    Our band of spotters called the 2700 to 2944 loco's crabs ,and the 2945 to 2964 loco's Stanier crabs. The 2700 to 2944 loco's were known by loco men also as Crabs ,because of the way they waddled along crab like. Different areas of enthusiasts had different names for loco' classes ,we called Black 5s Stanier's ,to local loco men they were number 5 s .It wasn't until a Northampton spotter started coming over ,I heard the name Black 5s.
     
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    Collections featuring Hughes & Stanier LMS Mogul ‘Crabs’

    This collection features the Hughes ‘Crabs’ 42700-42729 Built Horwich 1926/1927 in the B.R era
    Including this colour photo by Tony Gillett of Preston shed
    42715, Black 5 44907 & Royal Scot 46168 Preston shed 1st July 1961 ( Tony Gillett)
    https://tinyurl.com/5n92axes

    Full collection of over 45 photos starts here with
    42700 Liverpool Exchange (Tony Gillett) 16th February 1965
    https://tinyurl.com/3tnx785u
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    42728
    https://tinyurl.com/yxmb7pdt

    Neil
     
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    3/45 and 4/45 are same image but different locations ???

    15 / 45 = Worcester shed

    27 / 45 = Mansfield Town [duplicates 26 / 45

    43 / 45 = Rose Grove ?
     
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    Collection of photos of Stanier 2-6-0 Moguls

    The London Midland and Scottish Railway (LMS) Stanier Class 5 2-6-0 or Stanier Mogul is a class of 2-6-0 mixed traffic steam locomotives. Forty were built between October 1933 and March 1934.

    Although all built at Crewe Works, they were designed at Horwich Works and were developed from the Horwich Mogul, the LMS Hughes Crab 2-6-0. They had the addition of several features brought over from the Great Western Railway by newly arrived Chief Mechanical Engineer William Stanier, most notably the taper boiler (Stanier would have been familiar with the GWR 4300 Class). In an effort to please Stanier, Horwich had designed a GWR style top-feed cover and locomotive 13245 appeared with the feature fitted. Stanier was not at all pleased, ordering it promptly removed and replaced with the normal LMS cover.
    Due to a higher boiler pressure than the Crabs the cylinders were 3" smaller in diameter and so the cylinders were able to be mounted horizontally: the only Stanier design to do so. Like the Crabs they were connected to a Fowler tender that was narrower than the locomotive. When built the first ten locomotives had no water pick-up gear fitted to their tenders.
    They were initially numbered 13245–13284 (following on from the Crabs), but as standard locomotives, in the LMS 1933 renumbering scheme they were renumbered 2945–2984 in 1934 (the Crabs becoming 2700–2944). BR added 40000 to their numbers so they became 42945–42984. They were always painted black, and this was lined out except during the austere periods of the 1940s and towards the end of steam.

    This collection features the Pre-1934 LMS Numbering 13245–13284
    Including this photo of
    13279 in company of 2 former LNWR locos unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/yfunh26k

    Full collection of 17 photos starts here with
    13245 at Crewe works
    https://tinyurl.com/4shtx74d
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    13283 at Crewe
    https://tinyurl.com/4bkvb4x2

    Neil
     
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    1/17 shows the GWR style safety valve bonnet which so displeased Stanier, and was replaced before the engine entered traffic.
    2/17 shows the replacement cover, applied to the first ten engines.
    5/17 Crewe South shed
    6/17 Edge Hill shed
    11/17 Crewe, probably South, shed
     
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    12/100 = Dalmellington branch

    15 / 100 = Nottingham Midland

    39 / 100 = 42782 not 42762

    61/100 + 62/100 = Same location but different titles; which is correct ??

    63/100 = Lancaster Green Ayre

    64 / 100 = St Pancras

    80 / 100 = Loughborough Midland
     
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    5/55 = Water Orton - freight from Nuneaton direction to Washwood Heath ?

    28 / 55 = Wellingborough ?

    33 / 55 = Sheffield Midland

    36 / 55 = York [duplicates 37/55
     
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    11 / 31 = Horwich Works [duplicates 12 / 31

    14 / 31 = Langcliffe ?
     
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    22 / 31 Swindon Works
     
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