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Severn Valley Railway Spring Diesel Festival 18th to 21st May 2023

Rasprava u 'Galas and Events' pokrenuta od D1039, 16. Veljača 2023..

  1. bluetrain

    bluetrain Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the warning about timetable congestion and delays! I visited on Sunday, which had a good visitor turn-out but was not crowded,. However, delays still built up during the day, reaching 40 mins on my late afternoon finish at Kidderminster. The problems seemed to be at the southern end of the line, which had a 30-min interval service, with alternate trains going through to Bridgnorth and the others to Arley/Highley. I don't recall the "double crossing" arrangement at Arley being used for previous galas. It didn't seem to work satisfactorily, building-in lengthy waits even without the delays.

    I've enjoyed a number of SVR diesel galas, largely because of the frequent interval timetables allowing easy travel up and down the line. On this occasion, the timetable planners perhaps squeezed in a few too many trains, but they will doubtless review for next time.

    Overall, still a very enjoyable gala. I particularly appreciated being able to ride in an HST on the SVR, recalling numerous main-line journeys. And the Scotrail-liveried set was an unusual and interesting sight in Worcestershire!
     
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  2. D1039

    D1039 Guest

    Severn Valley Railway’s Diesel Festival breaks loco and visitor records
    https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2023/0...festival-breaks-loco-and-visitor-records.html

    6,500+ visitors, excluding shareholder vouchers/passes, the highest number of visitors the SVR has ever recorded for a diesel event. 44% more passengers than budget, 35% more ‘secondary spend' than last year. [For comparison the 2023 Spring steam gala was ~5,002 but over 3 days and the 2022 spring steam gala was ~7,500 over four days.]

    Note the comment: “As with the Spring Steam Gala, there are some learning points to take on board and we will action these for future events."

    TikTok train spotter Francis Bourgeois has an 'absolute blast' at Severn Valley Railway
    https://www.expressandstar.com/ente...s-an-absolute-blast-at-severn-valley-railway/

    Instagram star Francis Bourgeois visits Severn Valley Railway
    https://www.kidderminstershuttle.co...ancis-bourgeois-visits-severn-valley-railway/
     
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  3. Jonno854

    Jonno854 New Member

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    I thought it a well planned and run gala. Late running yes but not materially more than your average gala. Two points I thought stood out operationally which sometimes fall foul at late running events; 1) The order of the trains and passing points remained as timetabled; 2) Connections were held at Kidderminster (except one notable exception on Saturday), Bewdley (by all trains using the island platform) and Arley. For those planning moves around multiple locos, the timetable structure remaining as booked and connections being held are likely more important than running to time. My son and I enjoyed it immensely.
     
  4. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    Intriguing question, but is this the first time a diesel gala has outsold the corresponding steam event?

    No doubt these are very impressive and welcome figures, the organisers should be very proud of themselves. Hopefully a very healthy financial return too.
     
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  5. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    Apologies for the dodgy quotation above, something went awry with my editing and can't seem to separate the quote from my post.
     
  6. Kje7812

    Kje7812 Part of the furniture

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    I assume your question is whether the Diesel gala has ever outsold the Steam Gala?
    Since 2016, when the Spring Diesel gala was (re?)introduced, twice for certain has the SDG beaten the SSG.
    2016 - SSG: 3537, SDG: 4670
    2017 - SSG: 4537, SDG: 4810
    Not sure of the 2018 and 2019 SDG figures.

    I will say that IMO in terms of scale, since 2016, the SDG is comparable to the ASG and the SSG to the ADG.
    For ASGs since 2008, only 2008 and 2015 have great numbers being 7596 and 7300 respectively, while 2011 is also stated to be 6500.

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  7. D1039

    D1039 Guest

    2018's SSG was 4,541 (the Gala was hit by heavy snow, resulting in reduced attendance) which exceeded the Spring Diesel Festival's 4,142.

    2019 SDG attendance was reported as 'solid'!
     
  8. Kje7812

    Kje7812 Part of the furniture

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    Very descriptive

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  9. Kje7812

    Kje7812 Part of the furniture

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    So, it's not the first time that the Spring Diesel event is more popular than the SSG but it's first one where it's ASG level numbers wise.

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  10. D1039

    D1039 Guest

    Just a note that the steam (5000) was over three days to diesel's 6500 over four.
     
  11. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    Nice Black 5 and BRCW Type 3 reference there regarding numbers and Traction Patrick ;)

    From my time at Kidderminster (which was 25 years ago now) It was always a big thing with the DTG and the 50 fund about putting on a gala in May as a bit of way of promoting the diesel fleet before the diesel running days through the summer.
    I know things have changed a bit since then but it’s rather nice to see that the thinking behind it’s been vindicated.
    I’ll sign off with my usual quote ‘Railway history did not end in 1968’
     
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  12. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    Thanks everyone for the informative replies. No doubt this year's gala has set a new benchmark. I can remember a time not that long ago when diesel galas were considered 'marginal' and had been scaled back to just one low key event a year, which had steam at the weekend too - 'for those that didn't like diesels'!

    Quite the turnaround.
     
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  13. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    That was a huge source of frustration for those I worked with at the time, we did get our own back the one year by using the 800 as Kiddy station pilot during an ASG. (1998 I think)
     
  14. Pete Thornhill

    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    I’ve fixed it for you the [ /QUOTE ] part which ends the quotation had ended up at the end of your reply which was why it was all in one!!!
     
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  15. malc

    malc Part of the furniture

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    So, roughly, about the same per day. Also, three visiting locos for the steam gala vs 10+ for the diesel gala.
     
  16. D1039

    D1039 Guest

    The two events are IMO complementary. They’re also quite different models.

    Diesel locos are a fraction of the cost to operate and good relationships with operators can mean the hire and transport costs are different too. The secondary spend from diesel followers is I gather usually higher. I suspect the cost of firing up 18 steam for some very limited turns would be uneconomic.

    I wouldn’t get too tied up on comparisons though. The key is I guess leveraging the biggest surplus from each, which means different events - shorter or longer, more or fewer guests etc.
     
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  17. Robin

    Robin Well-Known Member Friend

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    There is a page on the history of SVR diesel galas on the SVR Wiki.

    https://www.svrwiki.com/Diesel_galas

    The SVR seems to blow hot and cold with diesel galas. The last time there wasn't a diesel gala at all because of a perceived "lack of interest" was as recently as 2006. 10 years later in 2016, there were 15 guests.
     
  18. Gladiator 5076

    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    One of the more interesting things to me on the attendance numbers was it was only a week after the Swanage Gala. From posts on more diesel based forums these appear to be the two most popular, so many must be happy to fork out money for both.
     
  19. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    Since 2006 there has been a huge culture change, led very much by the professionalism of the SVR diesel groups. Back then diesels were tolerated, now they are essential part of services, indeed taking the lead during last year's droughts. The development of world class facilities with the new depot should also be commended. Last weekend's figures were just the icing on the cake, but demonstrate that diesel heritage is now just as important as steam.
     
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  20. Matt37401

    Matt37401 Nat Pres stalwart

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    But those visitors (as in locos and stock) can come in rather easily by rail, Don’t forget there’s also that rather nice TM facility that can also be used to do work on those visitors too, it can be a useful bargaining chip.
     

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