If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Rother Valley Railway

Discussie in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' gestart door nine elms fan, 4 nov 2012.

  1. Breva

    Breva Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    11 okt 2010
    Berichten:
    2.347
    Leuk Bevonden:
    4.077
    Locatie:
    Gloucestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    It's those VBs again...
     
  2. Biermeister

    Biermeister Member

    Lid geworden:
    4 aug 2019
    Berichten:
    361
    Leuk Bevonden:
    669
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Brewer
    Locatie:
    Daylesford, Victoria, Australia
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Never! It's Coopers for me: Australia's finest drop! (And it's such a shame that Asahi have stopped exporting Fullers beers, anywhere!)
     
    Copper-capped vindt dit leuk.
  3. clinker

    clinker Member

    Lid geworden:
    8 okt 2016
    Berichten:
    612
    Leuk Bevonden:
    372
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    romford
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer

    Having known the owner of the 'Ugly', (to Whom I personally owe a debt of gratitude) this does rather confirm the situation which I felt was occurring at the time. (for the record I am still a member of the KESR)
     
  4. Miff

    Miff Part of the furniture Friend

    Lid geworden:
    17 jun 2008
    Berichten:
    3.000
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.023
    Regardless of the circumstances leading to its departure the Ugly (RSH 7667; Stewarts & Lloyds no. 56 now at the Epping-Ongar railway) did several years of useful work on the K&ESR from about '76 to '80.
     
  5. Dead Sheep

    Dead Sheep Member

    Lid geworden:
    1 mrt 2021
    Berichten:
    266
    Leuk Bevonden:
    561
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Ambridge
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    An extract from the minutes from May's Robertsbridge and Salehurst Parish Council meeting:

    "Rother Valley Railway – the Chairman reported that the Council had received notification from the Department for Transport, following the Public Inquiry, regarding the granting of the Transport and Works Act Order (TWAO), which gives authority to complete the rebuilding of the track to Bodiam, including compulsory purchase of land. He was nota ware of any appeal pending to date. He commended the public statement made online by Cllr Prochak saying that the community must now make the best of the decision. The Parish Council needs to remain broadly neutral. Cllr O’Hara suggested that as the legal process has concluded, the community needs to move on."
     
    Wenlock, clinker, Biermeister en 3 anderen vinden dit leuk.
  6. ikcdab

    ikcdab Member Friend

    Lid geworden:
    12 dec 2006
    Berichten:
    684
    Leuk Bevonden:
    2.021
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    WSRHT Trustee, Journal editor
    Locatie:
    Taunton
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I think it's rather sad that the local council will be neutral rather than supportive. Doesn't really fit with "making the best of the decision".
     
    Biermeister en H Cloutt vinden dit leuk.
  7. H Cloutt

    H Cloutt Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    22 dec 2018
    Berichten:
    1.024
    Leuk Bevonden:
    1.498
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Battle
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Such is the strength of feeling within the village that the Parish Council took the view that they should stay neutral. Comming down on one side or the other will not help the community to 'make the best of the decision'. Reading local social media suggest that those opposed to the railway really believed that the TWAO would not be granted and were really surprised by the outcome of the Public Inquiry.
     
    21B, Dead Sheep en 35B vinden dit leuk.
  8. 35B

    35B Nat Pres stalwart

    Lid geworden:
    18 jun 2011
    Berichten:
    28.729
    Leuk Bevonden:
    28.654
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Grantham
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    I note from the quotes that these are individuals' views. As @H Cloutt observes, making the best of the decision is in reaction to what happens rather than taking a view on what that decision was.
     
    H Cloutt vindt dit leuk.
  9. martin1656

    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

    Lid geworden:
    8 dec 2014
    Berichten:
    19.260
    Leuk Bevonden:
    12.512
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    St Leonards
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    There will be those who will be upset, that the outcome did not go as they had hoped, but as had been said, time to move on, and to be conciliatory, even had they won, I doubt they would have been, Its now down to the RVR, to be the grown ups, and offer dialog, but at the same time the land does need to be obtained, and stalling attempts should be rebutted if they can't come to an amenable solution, then the railway will have to use the powers the ruling has given it, I'm expecting there will be some last minute attempt to delay, or even a total refusal to talk,
     
    H Cloutt vindt dit leuk.
  10. Dead Sheep

    Dead Sheep Member

    Lid geworden:
    1 mrt 2021
    Berichten:
    266
    Leuk Bevonden:
    561
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Ambridge
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Actually there is a good reason to remain neutral. A parish council is statutory consultee on planning matters and has to follow planning law. Were they to express any interest either way, members of their planning committee could be subject to exercising 'predetermined interest' and not viewing an application with an open mind. Were the railway to exercise any further application, predetermination would count and would be used in evidence at a planning inquiry and potentially a standards investigation by the monitoring officer. So let's say RVR were to put in application and it was refused by the parish, after the parish had made it known that they were opposed to the railway, it could be a predetermined interest. I recently, circumvented a parish council for this very reason which resulted in an intervention by the local monitoring officer. Planning law is a minefield.

    Putting the predetermined issue aside, they are caught between a rock and hard place when it comes to local feeling.
     
    Last edited: 17 jun 2023
    clinker, Biermeister, ikcdab en 4 anderen vinden dit leuk.
  11. Mark Thompson

    Mark Thompson Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    10 sep 2017
    Berichten:
    1.591
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.934
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    E sussex
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    At least there is still time, which is the ultimate healer.
     
    H Cloutt vindt dit leuk.
  12. H Cloutt

    H Cloutt Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    22 dec 2018
    Berichten:
    1.024
    Leuk Bevonden:
    1.498
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Battle
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Hopefully once trains start running they will wonder why they made a fuss. The A21 level crossing is a case in point - many who took to social media still seemed to think that it was going to be a hand operated crossing like the one at Rolvenden.
     
  13. lynbarn

    lynbarn Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    22 aug 2006
    Berichten:
    1.553
    Leuk Bevonden:
    536
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Retired
    Locatie:
    Kent
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Well isn't that the trouble everyone wants the details laid out on a plate for them
     
    Dead Sheep, Biermeister en Mark Thompson vinden dit leuk.
  14. Mark Thompson

    Mark Thompson Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    10 sep 2017
    Berichten:
    1.591
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.934
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    E sussex
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That's the thing- they were. But there are always those who can't even be bothered with a plate! ;)
     
    21B, Dead Sheep, Biermeister en 2 anderen vinden dit leuk.
  15. ghost

    ghost Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    29 mei 2006
    Berichten:
    4.303
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.727
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    N.Ireland
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    When it comes to planning permission/public enquiries/twa/compulsory purchase, then things have to (quite rightly) be laid out in full for all to see.
     
    lynbarn en clinker vinden dit leuk.
  16. H Cloutt

    H Cloutt Well-Known Member

    Lid geworden:
    22 dec 2018
    Berichten:
    1.024
    Leuk Bevonden:
    1.498
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Battle
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    The problem was that it was - there was a lot of information about the level crossings in the planning application and presented to the Public Inquiry. It's just that some have based their opinions on hearsay.
     
    lynbarn en Dead Sheep vinden dit leuk.
  17. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Lid geworden:
    16 apr 2009
    Berichten:
    8.911
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.847
    "My mind is made up. Please don't cloud the issue with facts."
     
    21B, Romsey, lynbarn en 8 anderen vinden dit leuk.
  18. clinker

    clinker Member

    Lid geworden:
    8 okt 2016
    Berichten:
    612
    Leuk Bevonden:
    372
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    romford
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    It is always easier to convince people of negatives rather than positives, You only have to look at the journalism of various and diverse newspapers to see that, just have a look in a daily newspaper which I will not name here in order to see how negatives can convince the readers almost into paranoia. It's the basis of how conspiracy theories work. (or is it? maybe they are watching YOU!)
     
    H Cloutt, lynbarn en ghost vinden dit leuk.
  19. Greenway

    Greenway Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    16 mrt 2008
    Berichten:
    4.019
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.803
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    South Hams
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Very near the truth?
     
  20. Miff

    Miff Part of the furniture Friend

    Lid geworden:
    17 jun 2008
    Berichten:
    3.000
    Leuk Bevonden:
    3.023
    I agree, but this Parish Council is neither a planning authority or highway authority. Since the scheme already had planning permission and now has a TWAO I doubt the PC’s lack of support ever mattered very much and even less now. The District Council (planning) & County Council (highway authority for 2 of the three level crossings) came through when it mattered most.
     
    Last edited: 18 jun 2023

Deel Deze Pagina