THE DORSET COAST EXPRESS & THE ROYAL WESSEX with 34067

Hi all the times are now available for 34067 trip to Swanage on the 2nd May and the return trip back to Waterloo 4th May. This info comes from Wessex Rail Gen.

1Z98 VICTORIA 08:05 SWANAGE 13:15 STP SO 02/05/09 34067
1Z97 SWANAGE 16:10 VICTORIA 20:29 STP SO 02/05/09 Class 47
0Z98 SWANAGE 10:34 SWANAGE 16:18 STP SUN 03/05/09 34067 Turning move.
1Z98 WATERLOO 08:12 SWANAGE 12:10 STP MO 04/05/09 Class 47
1Z97 SWANAGE 16:10 WATERLOO 21:05 STP MO 04/05/09 34067

Train 1Z98 runs SO 02/05/09 Loco-Hauled
Sector 50 (WCRCo) Set up by TSDB on 09/03/09 Type STP

Location Booked C Pw Miles Tlod
87201 VICTORIA 08:05 385
87204 GROSVBDGJ PASS 08:09
87234 STEWRTSLN PASS 08:12
87232 LONGHDGJN PASS 08:16
87219 CLAPHAMJN PASS 08:23
87149 BARNES PASS 08:30
87135 RICHMOND PASS 08:33
87131 TWICKNHAM PASS 08:36
87125 WHITTONJN PASS 08:38
87122 FELTHAMJN PASS 08:39
87121 FELTHAM PASS 08:41
87114 STAINES PASS 08:49
87106 VIRGINIAW PASS 08:57
86010 ADDLSTNJN PASS 09:08
86022 BYFLEETNH PASS 09:11
86031 WOKING 09:21 09:24
86040 WOKING JN PASS 09:26
86041 BROOKWOOD PASS 09:32
87043 PIRBGHTJN PASS 09:35
86042 FARNBORO PASS 09:39
86045 FLEET PASS 09:43
86047 WINCHFLD 09:48 10:07
86066 BASINSTOK PASS 10:18
86069 WORTINGJN PASS 10:23
86083 WINCHESTR PASS 10:39
86084 SHAWFORD PASS 10:44
86087 EASTLEIGH PASS 10:49
86499 ST DENYS PASS 10:57
86513 NORTHAMJN PASS 11:00
86520 STHAMPTON PASS 11:03
86703 REDBRIDGE PASS 11:08
86901 BROCKNHST PASS 11:22
86921 BOURNEMTH PASS 11:47
86927 BRANKSOME PASS 11:53
86935 POOLE PASS 11:59
86951 HAMWORTHY PASS 12:05
86964 WAREHAM 12:13 12:15
86965 WORGRETJN PASS 12:18
86967 FURZBROOK 12:33 12:40
86969 SWANAGE 13:15

Train 1Z97 runs SO 02/05/09 Loco-Hauled
Sector 50 (WCRCo) Set up by TSDB on 09/03/09 Type STP

Location Booked C Pw Miles Tlod
86969 SWANAGE 16:10 350
86967 FURZBROOK 16:40 16:50
86965 WORGRETJN PASS 17:02
86964 WAREHAM 17:06 17:09
86951 HAMWORTHY PASS 17:16
86935 POOLE PASS 17:21
86927 BRANKSOME PASS 17:26
86921 BOURNEMTH PASS 17:30
86901 BROCKNHST PASS 17:54
86703 REDBRIDGE PASS 18:04
86520 STHAMPTON PASS 18:09
86513 NORTHAMJN PASS 18:11
86499 ST DENYS PASS 18:13
86087 EASTLEIGH PASS 18:22
86084 SHAWFORD PASS 18:30
86083 WINCHESTR PASS 18:35
86069 WORTINGJN PASS 18:47
86066 BASINSTOK PASS 18:49
86042 FARNBORO PASS 19:02
86040 WOKING JN PASS 19:10
86031 WOKING 19:12 19:14
86022 BYFLEETNH PASS 19:19
86010 ADDLSTNJN PASS 19:21
87106 VIRGINIAW PASS 19:28
87114 STAINES PASS 19:41
87121 FELTHAM PASS 19:49
87122 FELTHAMJN PASS 19:51
87141 HOUNSLOW PASS 19:53
87144 BRENTFORD PASS 19:57
87149 BARNES PASS 20:08
87219 CLAPHAMJN PASS 20:18
87232 LONGHDGJN PASS 20:21
87234 STEWRTSLN PASS 20:24
87204 GROSVBDGJ PASS 20:26
87201 VICTORIA 20:29

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Train 0Z98 runs SUN 03/05/09 Multiple-Unit
Sector 50 (WCRCo) Set up by TSDB on 12/03/09 Type STP

Location Booked C Pw Miles Tlod
86969 SWANAGE 10:34
86967 FURZBROOK 11:04 11:14
86965 WORGRETJN PASS 11:26
86964 WAREHAM 11:30 11:33
86951 HAMWORTHY PASS 11:42
86935 POOLE PASS 11:48
86927 BRANKSOME PASS 11:55
86921 BOURNEMTH PASS 12:00
86901 BROCKNHST PASS 12:26
86703 REDBRIDGE PASS 12:43
86520 STHAMPTON PASS 12:48
86513 NORTHAMJN PASS 12:51
86499 ST DENYS PASS 12:54
86087 EASTLEIGH 13:02 13:09
86093 EGHT&RSMD 13:19 13:24
86097 EASTLGHSJ PASS 13:31
86087 EASTLEIGH 13:35 13:38
86499 ST DENYS PASS 13:47
86513 NORTHAMJN PASS 13:53
86520 STHAMPTON PASS 13:57
86703 REDBRIDGE PASS 14:10
86901 BROCKNHST PASS 14:29
86921 BOURNEMTH PASS 14:51
86927 BRANKSOME PASS 14:57
86935 POOLE PASS 15:03
86951 HAMWORTHY PASS 15:10
86964 WAREHAM 15:18 15:20
86965 WORGRETJN PASS 15:23
86967 FURZBROOK 15:38 15:48
86969 SWANAGE 16:18

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Train 1Z98 runs MO 04/05/09 Loco-Hauled
Sector 50 (WCRCo) Set up by TSDB on 10/03/09 Type STP

Location Booked C Pw Miles Tlod
87212 WATERLOO 08:12 455
87215 NINEELMSJ PASS 08:17
87216 QNSTWNRDB PASS 08:18
87219 CLAPHAMJN PASS 08:20
87149 BARNES PASS 08:30
87135 RICHMOND PASS 08:33
87131 TWICKNHAM PASS 08:36
87125 WHITTONJN PASS 08:38
87122 FELTHAMJN PASS 08:39
87121 FELTHAM PASS 08:41
87114 STAINES PASS 08:49
87106 VIRGINIAW PASS 08:58
86010 ADDLSTNJN PASS 09:08
86022 BYFLEETNH PASS 09:10
86031 WOKING 09:15 09:21
86040 WOKING JN PASS 09:22
86042 FARNBORO PASS 09:30
86066 BASINSTOK PASS 09:42
86069 WORTINGJN PASS 09:46
86083 WINCHESTR PASS 10:01
86084 SHAWFORD PASS 10:03
86087 EASTLEIGH PASS 10:08
86499 ST DENYS PASS 10:16
86513 NORTHAMJN PASS 10:18
86520 STHAMPTON PASS 10:20
86703 REDBRIDGE PASS 10:24
86901 BROCKNHST PASS 10:34
86921 BOURNEMTH PASS 10:51
86927 BRANKSOME PASS 10:57
86935 POOLE PASS 11:05
86951 HAMWORTHY PASS 11:10
86964 WAREHAM 11:17 11:19
86965 WORGRETJN PASS 11:22
86967 FURZBROOK 11:34 11:40
86969 SWANAGE 12:10

Train 1Z97 runs MO 04/05/09 Loco-Hauled
Sector 50 (WCRCo) Set up by TSDB on 10/03/09 Type STP

Location Booked C Pw Miles Tlod
86969 SWANAGE 16:10 385
86967 FURZBROOK 16:40 16:49
86965 WORGRETJN PASS 17:01
86964 WAREHAM 17:05 17:07
86951 HAMWORTHY PASS 17:16
86935 POOLE PASS 17:21
86927 BRANKSOME PASS 17:29
86921 BOURNEMTH PASS 17:33
86901 BROCKNHST PASS 17:51
86703 REDBRIDGE PASS 18:05
86520 STHAMPTON 18:18 18:20
86513 NORTHAMJN PASS 18:23
86499 ST DENYS PASS 18:25
86087 EASTLEIGH 18:31 18:46
86104 ALLBROOKJ PASS 18:50
86084 SHAWFORD PASS 18:56
86083 WINCHESTR PASS 19:01
86069 WORTINGJN PASS 19:18
86066 BASINSTOK PASS 19:21
86042 FARNBORO PASS 19:35
86040 WOKING JN PASS 19:42
86031 WOKING 19:43 19:45
86022 BYFLEETNH PASS 19:51
86010 ADDLSTNJN PASS 19:53
87106 VIRGINIAW PASS 20:04
87114 STAINES PASS 20:13
87121 FELTHAM PASS 20:21
87122 FELTHAMJN PASS 20:23
87125 WHITTONJN PASS 20:23
87131 TWCKNMJ PASS 20:30
87131 TWICKNHAM PASS 20:31
87133 STMARGRTS PASS 20:33
87135 RICHMOND PASS 20:36
87149 BARNES PASS 20:46
87219 CLAPHAMJN PASS 20:56
87217 WLONDONJN PASS 20:58
87216 QNSTWNRDB PASS 20:59
87215 NINEELMSJ PASS 21:01
87212 WATERLOO 21:05

 

What the ?

Presume splitting loco & tender at Swanage wasn't an option then.

 

Assume Multiple unit means top and tail diesel one end loco other, so no need to detach. To the computer it probably amounts to the same thing.

Guess even on a Sunday a 35mph loco all the way to Eastleigh on the mainline and back wouldn't go down too well... imagine it can have a 50 path if towed

 

dont get me wrong, but what is the point in carting 34067 up to eastleigh on the sunday? i dont mind because i live near eastleigh.

Isnt 34067 taking on water at eastleigh on the way back?

isn tit double heading with manston?

 

Turning move to get it facing the right way for teh tour back to Waterloo, Eastleigh is the nearest location with a triangle, unlikely it will need water as the diesel towing it tender first on that move will be doing the lions share of the work.

Manston is not currently mainline approved and haven't heard of any plans to do so, if you mean internally on Swanage metals then possible but haven't heard any plans to do so yet, whether the train with 34067 is operating in Air or Vacuum mode is also a consideration.

 

According to Past Time website (updated to 17th April) :

The Dorset Coast Express (2/5/09)
Seats left - 13 Standard; First SOLD OUT; 18 Silver Service.
Tangmere to Swanage/WCRC Class 47 back

The Royal Wessex (4/5/09)
No seating update provided - presumably seats available in all three sections.
WCRC Class 47 to Swanage/Tangmere back to London

 

It should be the Green Train, which is vacuum only.

It would indeed be great for 67&70 to double head.

 

I assume the turning move is necessary as Tangmere is too big for the turntable at Swanage. In fact I recall that 76079 had to be split from its tender for turning when it visited in 2007. So how large a loco can be turned on the Swanage turntable?

Isn't this going to be a problem for future tours visiting Swanage since a) it means you can only have steam in one direction and b) you need to organise a separate turning move which presumably costs quite a bit?

 

Hi

I believe Tangmere was designed with a "quick release" tender so that turning could be completed more quickly than normal if it was to take place on a smaller turntable where the engine and tender needed to be split.

Alex

 

Not true, 76079 did fit on the turntable, albeit only with a couple of inches to spare.

 

I think you are right, Alex, and that the Swanage turntable was the one the original owner had in mind. However, there was mention in another recent thread of this causing extra problems in terms of re-inspecting and possibly re-certifying the loco after it has been split from the tender and reunited. Does anyone with relevant experience know whether this is correct, and what the extra processes are?

 

Rumpole, You beat me to it. I was one of the turntable 'pushers' for Ian Riley's "Pocket Rocket" and it fitted a treat without splitting.
Getting back on thread -
Still no updates, from Past Time Rail, regarding The Royal Wessex on 4th May but
Saturday 2nd May's The Dorset Coast Express is (as at 21/4/09) Standard Full; First Full; Silver Service - 15 seats remaining.

 

Its rather odd this one....

If it was a "multiple unit" it would be described as 5Z98.
If she is going with her support coach it would be descibed as a 5Z98.

0Z98 idicates that it is a light engine(s) movement

 

As far as I know, the movement is purely to turn Tangmere.

We're not expecting any oil burner turning up at the gates to drag her screaming off to the triangle. So there are two options - engine + support coach, or more likely just the engine going out tender first and returning tender first. Pretty sure LE moves can go either way round at line speed, but will bow to greater knowledge if this is not the case. May be flagged as MU since technically the "engine" is at the back but its pretty tenuous. More likely finger trouble.

 

When I last looked it was 0Z98 on TRUST.

I suspect the reason it is shown as a multiple unit is that the section running times for a Sandite MPV were used to calculate the schedule. Class 8 sandites are timed at 35 mph, just what is needed for a tender first steam loco.

Cheers, Neil

 

I think you are incorrect Neil.....

If it is a light engine movement it will be 0Z98.

The multiple unit must be some sort of typo error....

 

N.B.
Anyone visiting us on either Saturday 2nd May on BH Monday 4th May please be aware we have had to change our scheduled timetable on both days to accommodate the incoming/outgoing special trains and their associated ECS movements.
With apologies if these changes cause you any inconvenience - you can view the revised timetables on http://www.swanagerailway.co.uk/tangmere.htm
The revised Swanage Railway timetables are themselves subject to change on the day - depending upon the timekeeping of the tours to their Network Rail schedules of course.

 

I'm not disputing the class of the train, but how a light engine is shown as a multiple unit ...
On "trainplan" it is possible (although not desireable) to use any timing load to create a schedule and then amend the train to a different class. 0Z98 would have been created using a sandite MPV timing load (35 mph) and the train classification changed to class "0". TSDB only reflects what is uploaded from trainplan.

Sorry for a technical note, but I spent 7 years using trainplan.

Regards, Neil

 

And for anybody in the local area it appears Pete Waterman will be doing book signings at Swanage, why this isn't plugged a bit more I don't know ](*,)

 

Be warned, anyone travelling on either of these tours, the Victoria line is completely shut this weekend, as is the Jubilee line south/east of Green Park.