Locos in Canada

I know this has been taked about a bit in the past but i was wondering if anybody has any upto date information on any of this locos
#12 Ogwen Avonside (0-4-0ST) 2066 1933
nee Durham County Water Board, (10/36);
ex-Penrhyn Quarries, 1/65;
Indianapolis Motor Speedway Foundation
Terre haute, IN.

Marchly Avonside (0-4-0ST) 2067 1933
nee Durham County Water Board, (10/36);
ex-Penrhyn Quarries, 1/65;
Lake Wupahanessa Amusement Park, Rossville, GA.

Elidir
(second use of this name)
Avonside
(0-4-0T)
2071
1933
nee Dinorwic Quarries, (7/66)
stred Bolton, Ont.

Cegin
Barclay
(0-4-0WT)
1991
1931
nee Durham County Water Board, (10/36);
ex-Penrhyn Quarries, 1/65;
Sugar Mill Museum, Manati, Puerto Rico.

#15 Glyder
Barclay
(0-4-0WT)
1994
1931
nee Durham County Water Board, (10/36);
ex-Penrhyn Quarries, 1/65;
Indianapolis Motor Speedway Foundation
Terre haute, IN.

#8 Winifred
Hunslet
(0-4-0T)
364
1885
nee Penrhyn Quarries (1/65);
Early Wheels Museum, Terre Haute, IN.

King of the Scarlets
Original name was Alice.
Hunslet
(0-4-0T)
492
1889
nee Dinorwic Quarries, (1965);
stored Langstaff, Ont
It was damaged in a rock fall in 1962 and withdrawn from service.

Nesta
Hunslet
(0-4-0T)
704
1899
nee Penrhyn Quarries, (1/65);
Sugar Mill Museum, Manati, Puerto Rico.

Gertrude
Hunslet
(0-4-0T)
995
1909
nee Penrhyn Quarries, (1/65);
on display Ontario Science Centre.


Michael
Hunslet
(0-4-0T)
1709
1932
nee Dinorwic Quarries, (1965);
stored Langstaff, Ont.

No#
Kerr Stuart
3128
1918
nee Avonmouth Smelting, (1959);
stored Langstaff, Ont.

Liassic
Peckett
(0-6-0T)
1632
1923
nee Rugny Portland Cement, (1966);
stored Langstaff, Ont.

Im mostly interested in the two exdinorwic engines, im tried google, fotopic, flickr and photobucket but cant seem to find anything.
Ive got the cliff thomas book but want to know if anybody has any newish info.
i dont suppose anybody has the address of the charles matthews in langstaff ontario canada, i could even try and write to him to see if he has any pictures.

i just cant see how these locos have not had any trace mostly since being exported.

any info?

cheers Dan

 

http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomo ... splay=1865 ???
repatriated a year ago, someone else will know where it is

 

I think it was 2006 Elidir came back, not sure about it's current location but last I heared it was being dismantled

 

I believe it's at Leighton Buzzard.

 

I can confirm that Elidir is at Leighton Buzzard, undergoing an overhaul. This includes regauging the locomotive from
1' 10 3/4" (Dinorwic) gauge back to 2'0" gauge (as built).

 

You could try:

Charles Matthews Ltd
99 Langstaff Rd E,
Thornhill, ON L3T 3M5

Good luck. Let us know how you get on.

Ian

 

Several well known folk have tried young Jedi, I wish you well in your quest, but don't be disappointed if you hear nowt.

 

Yet some have been successfull, particularly with road steam. Mr Priestners plougher is ex Mathews, there are a couple of ex Mathews Fowler rollers in paddyland, and a 'Super' Sentinel down south.

 

That much is true, but no-one yet has managed to acquire a loco. I don't think the collection is "For Sale" as such, more that the family will consider things going to the "right" homes as they see it - hence the pairing up of the ploughers and the return of the Sentinel to its original area.

I wouldn't like to speculate any more on here for fear of jeopardising current contacts being made. :-#

 

Thanks for all your replys upto now, im not asking to buy one just to maybe simply see a photo of how they are as it must of been atleast what 20 years since cliff thomas did his book with the photo of king of the scarletts and michael in the barn. yet i cant seem to find any photos of an upto date condition.

i found that address on the internet aswell but wasnt sure.

 

The first edition of Cliff Thomas's book came out in 2001, and it has a 1981 picture showing Liassic, Michael and the Wren in Canada (safe and under cover), there were a couple of more recent pictures published some years ago in Narrow Gauge News, if anyone has time to look out the exact reference, though they weren't particularly revealing. The chief thing the pictures indicate is that the locos seem to be perfectly safe - and as was the case with Elidir, virtually untouched since export.

 

it seems strange ben that they were exported only to lie dormant in a barn for what?

 

it seems strange ben that they were exported only to lie dormant in a barn for what?
do you have a link to these recent pic in narrow gauge news?

 

Clearly buying things to put them in barns was big in the 1960s...!

Don't have a link to the item in NGN (news journal of the Narrow Gauge Railway Society), or time to dig through back numbers to find it, but remember it looking much like the picture in the Cliff Thomas book.

 

Far from it, I think of it as a historical treasure trove.

All the quarry engines that are in the UK, have in some way or another been modified, be it a cab, taller chimney, air or vacume brakes, welded tanks, different name or whatever.

All done to make them more usable, all well and good, but not in any way representing the way they were at work. Even the odd ones in museum have succumed a minimum to the DELUX treatment.

The engines in Canada, and the states are engines preserved exactly as they finished work. I for one hope they remain in that state.

 

i just wish more looked like alice....with dumb buffers, they do look more the part with them on =D>

 

The engines in Canada, and the states are engines preserved exactly as they finished work. I for one hope they remain in that state.[/quote]

Amen to that indeed!

 

Except that in the case of the Dinorwig locos being discussed in this thread, it isn't quite 100% accurate. Michael has a cab (correct pattern and very likely its own original - details in the Cliff Thomas book) that had been removed some time after 1948, and for export King of the Scarlets was given a very bright paint job - there's a colour picture in one of Peter Johnson's books, and it's even got the letters on the nameplate picked out in gold paint! But mechanically, they ought to be every bit as authentic as museum exhibit Rough Pup, so your point is sound. Also, the work prior to export was done in their "home" works, so presumably it has the same sort of status as Lode Star's paint job.

 

Greetings all,

I am rather new at this, but couldn't resist posting on this most interesting of topic's.

I have had an interest in all the loco's that went to the USA for some time time and have read many books and articles.

I have to say that, while I certainly like the idea of certain members of the many and various classes being in absolutely original condition, it would be nice to see a few of these return home to where they belong and be available to be seen.

I tried emailing any addresses I could find for info on many of the loco's listed, but to know avail as well a the other Avonside, Marchlyn that is in a theme park in the US. I did get a reply, but no Photo unfortunately.

I will say that many of the loco's have been kept as original as practicality allows, but one of the disapointing things to me was the conversion of Elin back to a more original specification. she was modified by the quarries when she needed a new boiler and therefore became a 1 off, seemed such a shame to change her back.

Please do let us know if you find any further info out!

A fascinating topic I think.

 

Cackler is in a similar condition I believe?