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Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by alastair, Nov 29, 2023.

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  1. Sheff

    Sheff Resident of Nat Pres

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    Not sure when this was first advertised, but Dining is already sold out on the one from the midlands in Sept :(


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    Now there’s an idea.
    Swanage 117 & 121 DMU drag for Jacobite. Its got CDL, but no CET….. Ah, maybe not.
     
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    I did. But while I'm open to the argument that they may have the balance wrong, I can't see how what they are doing is anything other than a straightforward implementation of their safety duties.

    Given some of our previous debates, I'm amused to see you advocating for a lighter touch regulatory regime ;)
     
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    Enterprise Part of the furniture

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    Not sure about that. My historic support for Labour was always based on a least worse analysis. You might also remember I rejected that argument around 2018. Wisdom is said to come with age :). I'm still a syndicalist.

    My objection to the ORR position is that they are not, to my mind, properly balancing their conflicting duties. That said, I agree with many that the WCRC have brought this upon themselves.
     
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    30567 Part of the furniture Friend

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    I'm not convinced WCR deployed the right arguments at the Judicial Review. By relying on the argument that the status quo was as safe or safer than CDL they effectively threw away the balance of duties card. Did ORR even consider the economic consequences or were they operating in silo mode? Water, bridge, under.

    Meanwhile a train is due to depart Carnforth in the next hour for FW. What is it? Has the 'afternoon' Mk2 set been CDL fitted? What if any steam is available to go up there and when?

    Is it possible to tweak the timetable so as to get two departures out of one train-- say 1000 and 1500 from FW? I am told the sun never sets up there from May to August. Never rises either some days.....
     
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  7. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    it is worth reminding ourselves of a very simple tenet of how H&S and the ORR approach matters

    If in your safety case, risk assessments etc you say you are doing something , then make sure you demonstrate consistently you are doing that

    iirc the mystery shopper last year found wc were not doing what they said they were doing not once but twice hence the two suspensions . That almost certainly didn't help the Judicial Review and you can argue it is three strikes and out
     
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    Irrespective of the many and varied views that folk on here have about WCRC - and this is from a group of people who actually want things to go well - I can't believe that the company is doing nothing in the hope that things eventually fall in their favour. The public PR charm offensive - "it's not us guv, is the other guy" approach - is just that, a PR exercise. Meanwhile behind the scenes they will be active and one imagines that safeguarding the route for them with something is a starting point.
     
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    Showing as 37676 and 37685 on RC data.

    Dave B
     
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    Diesel hauled coaching stock is usually shown as such, hence my curiosity about DMU.
     
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  11. class8mikado

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    Perhaps with such a short train (4) its characteristics are more like a DMU...
     
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    37685+37676 double headed, van number 94225 + 7 Mk1 s.
     
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    Just seen it pass Beattock cam, but couldn't see any indication of CDL on the Mk1s.

    Dave B
     
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    Screenshot from Thankerton cam, certainly no sign of CDL. Maybe it's as someone suggested that it's to keep the paths open by running an ECS as route refresher/training.

    Screenshot (60).png

    Dave B
     
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    Indeed, particularly where he says he might run the train for free. As it won't have fare paying passengers on-board he thinks it's exempt from the CDL ruling. I wonder how a free train that generates its revenue from souvenir sales on board will wash with the ORR.
     
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    WCRC 37685 +37676 + 8 seen from Paddy Lane Bridge in between showers.

     
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    Better weather conditions than for Gresley
     
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    From pictures I have seen 7 very clean and shiny Mk1's.
     
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    Does CDL need to have lights visible from the outside to indicate the doors are locked, or unlocked? If those coaches are unfitted, and west coast try to use them, without agreement with ORR, I would imagine the repercussions would be very damaging for them,
     
    martin1656, Apr 5, 2024
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