Jacobite 2024

The kitchen cars and support coaches were included in the previous exemption certificate, last updated April 2023.

https://www.orr.gov.uk/guidance-com...lling-stock/mark-1-and-hinged-door-exemptions

There's exemptions for all operators of slam door stock, but only WCRC have a revocation for section 5 - RSR regulation 5 prohibited the operation of hinged door rolling stock without central locking from 1 January 2005.

Unless they've got a new exemption certificate that hasn't been uploaded, then my reading of that means they shouldn't be operating a single vehicle without CDL.

 

The exemptions in force for both NYMR & Vintage trains refer to "Hinged Door Rolling Stock". This is defined in the document thus: “Hinged Door Rolling Stock” means any carriage with hinged doors for use by passengers for boarding and alighting from the train; If the doors are locked then it could be said that they are out of use for passengers to board or alight. Taking into account that each Mk 1 coach is sandwiched between CDL fitted Mk 2s as described in post #332 then it could be argued (and possibly has been) that adequate facilities are provided for passengers to board or alight from the train via CDL equipped doors. In this case that would surely assume that discussions have been held between WCR and ORR and a further exemption issued along the lines of those held by NYMR & Vintage trains and details haven't appeared as @5944 suggests.

 

Look at the consist of the train and the way the Mk1 carriages have been positioned between Mk2 carriages, you only have to walk through the corridor connection and you are at the operational door in the Mk2...

 

I believe the NYMR are looking at locking people in on the Whitby section of its operation so that they can gain an exemption to operate Mk1 stock without CDL.

 

Goodness sake, what is the world coming to. A train shouldn't be a prison!

 

Don’t bring the world into it, could only be the UK.

 

Oh I can see what they've done, all very cunning! It's still pushing their luck though, it'll be interesting to see if it lasts. I was of the understanding that a coach can have X number of doors locked out of use and still run, but X + 1 and it had to be withdrawn. Maybe that's just a local rule/best practice.

 

they would need bars on the windows, and self locking seat belts on the seats, with a call button if you needed to go to the toilet

 

I just hope that it's been discussed with ORR, and they have given the OK to operate in that way, otherwise west coast could be in serious dodo if they have decided to operate in this manner without prior agreement.

 

Or as it would be known Ryanair Rail

 

Seat? thats extra, Window, thats extra, Toilet paper, £1 per sheet

 

They already have an exemption. It does, however, limit speed to 25mph.

 

You’ve obviously never seen ‘Von Ryan’s Express’ then?

 

Given what’s happened in the past would you be surprised if it wasn’t?

 

In that case, i could see ORR throwing every single book it has at West Coast let alone just a book singular,

 

Ermm, the Swiss actually have a couple of driving trailers specifically converted for prisoner transport.

 

I’m sure I read somewhere the FfWHR have been looking at what would be needed for CDL on their modern fleet.

 

Not the West Highland Extension though is it? And knowing how pedantic you like to be Martin, what on earth does what happened in another country with different rules and regs over the weekend happen to apply to those that are applicable over here?