Bagnall 4-4-0 Sir George Newnes (WB2891 formerly Charles Wytock)

Unfortunately that post was incorrect. In the 1970s the loco was moved from its plinth at the Tongaat head offices to a new site, as "gate guardian" for a new industrial estate being developed on Tongaat land. This site was called Prospecton so CW was given Prospecton nameplates, which she carried until she reached England. Prospecton is a large industrial area near to Durban, KZN. Also the WB works number is 2819, not 2891.

 

Sorry, I got it from message 121 in this thread.

 

I'm probably to blame for the wrong works number being used as I suggested its use in the title in post 135. However, in my defence I did get the information from: https://www.lynton-rail.org.uk/railway/rolling-stock/charleswytock

 

Thank you for the heads up, the relevant web page has now been amended to show the correct works number.

 

Surprised the opportunity was not taken to also update with details of the new name?

 

I expect that will happen when the 'new' loco actually comes into use
Mike

 

Presumably after the official naming ceremony? Thats a guess by the way!

 

We could invite Sherlock Holmes to do that job!

 

I see the Teifi Valley Railway now has sister loco Sinembe.
The L and B thread occasionally mentions Sir George Newnes.
Any further update on getting the loco back in service?

 

Earlier this month on Saturday 11th June, Bagnell 2819 was hauled out of Woody Bay shed to expose the engine in its newly applied livery and how close it is to returning to service. This photo image is borrowed from Facebook......

 

That's looking lovely- without wanting to start off a livery debate, red suits far better than the green it wore previously.

Chris

 

"Without wishing to start off a livery debate ..."

Erm?

 

..... and he's perfected time travel........
Ray.

 

Lots of photos of Sir George Newnes in steam on Facebook, following a successful steam test by the boiler inspector.

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/j8Mq4iUtKC4puAWZ/

 

There is also this one, (and a video see below) of Sir George at the head of a service train

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=7623642421068406

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=452866010861610

 

Following the naming of ex-Tongaat Sugar Company Bagnall no. 2819 'Sir George Newnes' at Woody Bay, the loco hauled its first revenue earning service after rebuild and is seen here with the 1430 return train from Killington Lane. 13th August 2024.

 

Four more photographs (all shared from the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Facebook page) highlighting the key images relevant to the renaming of locomotive Bagnall 2819 at Woody Bay yesterday.......

(a) The original manufacturer's plate:


(b) Christopher Newnes about to expose the new nameplate:

(c) The new nameplate:


(d) And finally Sir George Newnes in passenger service.

 

The latest L&B YouTube video:

 

Tee photo on the Beamish website referred to above shows that no stays are needed between the inner and outer fireboxes but the backplate being flat requires staying above the level of the inner box. Clearly the marine design was successful or Bagnall would not have persevered with it and obtained repeat orders from Tongaat and elsewhere. One advantage is that the firebox and ashpan do not drop down to axle level like a conventional box which makes the running gear much easier to design: it would be difficult if not impossible to use a conventional box on Monarch as it would interfere with the bogie pivots and similarly on these 4-4-0 tanks there is no room between the two axles. However there are disadvantages; as previous entries have said, firebox volume and perhaps more importantly, ashpan volume are limited and as far as I can see there is no space for a brick arch

 

I was having a look inside the firebox of Bagnall replica 'Brown Bear' a couple of days ago and whilst not truly a "brick arch" there is a low firebrick 'wall' across the front of the grate a short distance from the tubeplate. This slopes back at an angle which mimics the action of a brick arch in lengthening the flame path but also prevents the fire being drawn into the lower row of tubes. I don't know if this was standard Bagnall practice but certainly isn't unique to Brown Bear.
Ray.