Cotton Mill June 21st 2009

I wonder what the odds are that this one will run, especially on a Sunday, Mothers Day comes to mind, and if it runs will it be Riley powered or something else?

Nei

 

Anyone any ideas what Loco for this, as no Riley loco available

Neil

 

Ian has stated that its uneconomical to move 45407 or 76079 down from the moors for the CME.

Therefore my guess is Leander.

Alex

 

Rather than a Manchester start, why not start at Preston.. better connections for passengers coming longer distances to this trip and also much less light engine / ecs moves... it's going past Preston ECS anyway, i'm sure the extra mileage will attract a few more passengers than the cost difference between an ECS and a passenger move.

Here's a cheeky one.. 5043 will be in Crewe Saturday night, how about a Castle from Victoria on sunday :smt102

 

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Firstly the silly problem of track access charges raises its head again.

Why an empty stock move of Cl47 + 7 + Steam should pay less than exactly the same formation as a train carrying passengers completely evades me, but that is why picking up at Lancaster / Preston / Chorley doesn't work unless the numbers are substantial.

Secondly

The locos are no longer coming from Bury, so there is the additional time and complexity of either towing your kettle backwards from Carnforth for an anticlockwise circle - or running round Brewery.

Could you "lose" 6115 and seven in Liverpool Road overnight??? - just a thought :-k

 

............ or Bury for that matter?

 

Track Access Charges for 2009:

Class 47 = 46.69 pence per mile.
Mark 1 Coach = 5.42 pence per mile.

For a 12 coach train + Loco your looking around £1.12 per mile, at around 40 miles thats £44.00.

no differentiation between empty or with passengers.

WCRC could save money by using more 37's.. there only 32.82p per mile.
Steam Locomotives are charged at the same rate as a Class 47.
Preserved Diesels are charged at 41.42pence per mile.
If your using a Mark 2 coach, thats 5.82pence per mile.

Somewhere near the bottom of the pile a 142 will cost you only 3.95 pence per mile.

 

There's also station access charges to consider.

 

Why is a mk2 more expensive than a mk1? They're lighter...

 

No info yet on if it is running?

Its a Sunday again, Fathers Day, and the British Grand Prix as well

Neil

 

If you can get Leander across to the KWVR by the next weekend then OK! If not then please don't as I am hoping to get a ride behind it on the Saturday \/

 

UK Steam tours are showing the CME 21st. June as cancelled remember it is a Past Time Rail operation.

 

As you can see this is a report starting back in May before we knew Past Time were ceasing rail tours

Will West Coast take up the reigns for the Cotton Mill tours ?

Neil

 

Depends how or even if profitable it is, i suspect profitability is what has saved the Torbay programme from the axe.