76079

Which looking at a more macro level than just 79 was kind of what I was asking. How sustainable is Whitby now and looking to the future? 79 was bought as I remember for Whitby mostly and the pool of mainline passed locomotives that can be bought and ran on some form of Bangernomics is decidedly dry.

 

926 Repton & 5428 Eric Treacy are passed for Whitby i believe, 44806 is ready to go just waiting for relevant up to date equipment from Network Rail.
if you ever go on the first train from Pickering during the summer which goes to Whitby, it gets to standing room only some days

 

But given that in peak season you'll need 7 coaches on a Whitby - Pickering train presumably each loco passed for Whitby has to be capable of taking 7 coaches up the 1 in 49, so that immediately eliminates locos like 29 and 2392. Would I also be right in guessing that 80136 hasn't been passed for Whitby (and so 80135 might not either) because of concerns of water capacity for a loco having to do Grosmont - Whitby - Goathland before it can top the tanks up again? Or is there another reason why 80136 isn't on the Whitby Roster?
If you are to exclude the 4MT tanks from the Whitby running, and factor out the smaller locos, Pacifics and 2-10-0s, that leaves with, from that list, with 825, 926, 5428, 44806 and 75029, and maybe 63395. That's 5 or 6 locos out of the fleet, with a need for at least 2 to be running each peak season if you're to have 2 Steam Hauled Whitby Sets (Unless you swap locos at Grosmont and have just the 1 loco shuttling each Whitby train along the Network). Is that enough wiggleroom given that you have to contend with things like washouts and the risk of having locos unexpectedly going out of traffic like 825 and 63395 have done?

 

More to sustainability than just income.

 

80135 was previously a Whitby engine and should be again. 63395 won’t be a Whitby engine. It will be interesting to see if 62005 is available for Whitby.

 

On the subject of 76079 on the Cambrian, did anyone get a photo of it rescuing 37670 which failed in the platform at Machynlleth on 19th August 2009? I kept a copy of the EWS Log out of curiosity/amusement. It appears that the 37, on a route learning L||E run had boiled dry and died. The only available loco was (I believe) 76079, which EWS had to hire/borrow to haul the diesel into Machy depot. Ironic, as the failure blocked the Std inside the depot!
Pat

 

There are regular YouTube video updates posted from NYMR Grosmont and some I've seen have shown Hartland's inverted boiler being worked on - although not more recently I have to say.

From my count, SDR have produced new fireboxes for 34023/028/039/059/101 - was there a sixth or was that 35005?

Edit : apologies for continued drift to Bulleid.....

 

Are MN fireboxes the sme size and shape as the light pacifics? I thought they had a larger grate area, in which producing a batch of just one for 35005 would seem to be a bit pointless!

 

Yes exactly that - which is why I'm unsure. I think SDR did a batch of six inner fireboxes for the light pacific and I know that CPac has a new firebox too but I'm not sure whether this was also SDR-provided?

 

Snap.
I was also frequently crawling all over her, often working with Dave Hibbert.
Loco originally acquired by Frogstone before Derek Foster bought it from them.
I was at Steamport 1972 -78

 

I thought that the WC/BB firebox was just a shorter version of the MN firebox, so only the sides varied, to give the different grate area. The front and back would therefore be identical, so suitable for batch production?

 

80135 has never been a Whitby loco in the modern era. It did work a special train to Whitby in the BR era, well before the requirements for TPWS, etc. AWS wasn't even necessary. I can't remember the date but I'm sure someone else will be able to provide it.

I think NYMR planning is based around four Whitby steam locos in traffic, two in service, one on washout/repair and one on standby. Currently there is only 926 and 5428 available with 825 and 76079 being out of traffic. 44806 should have been available to replace 76079 but there is a supply problem with a necessary TPWS part. With regard to the Standard tanks, 80136 was privately owned until recently and was never overhauled to the required standard. 80135, on the other hand, has been and is being fitted with TPWS, etc. 80136 is planned to follow suit when it is eventually overhauled. The final loco in the Whitby jigsaw is 75029, which would eventually give a pool of seven Whitby locos.
The Railway has essentially relied on the Two Whitby passed diesels to maintain the service this year. Whilst it is possible to run the service with just one Whitby loco and doing loco changes at Grosmont, it is very much non-preferred as it plays havoc with the T/T. I said above that the planning is based around two steam locos, one out of Grosmont and one out of Pickering, in the last couple of years there has been a trend towards using a diesel between Grosmont and Whitby on the 09.20 ex Pickering.
Finally, I do share some concern about the practicality of using a tank loco to Whitby in terms of water provision. It should be just about do-able but there is no wiggle room in terms of water capacity.

 

35005 has had a firebox fabricated at Ropley using, I believe, thermic syphon sections from SDR. Happy to be put right if necessary, it all seems so long ago!
Pat

 

Seeing that you ask Steve it was in 2003 which puts it post privatisation. It ran Whitby- Glaisdale trains over the May and Whitsun Bank Holidays that year. Then in December it ran a Christmas Shoppers special from Grosmont to Middlesborough. As you say, it was allowed to run without AWS or TPWS.

Here it stands at Whitby Town on 26/5/2003. It is carrying 80116's front numberplate as that loco was delivered new to Whitby in 1956. The boiler seen here on 80135 is the same boiler built for 80116 when new.


This is Battersby on a very grey 6/12/2003 with the loco about to run round its train prior to proceeding on to Middlesborough on its one off "Xmas Shopper" special. I don't think that 80135 has been out on the Esk Valley branch since then.

Peter

 

Thanks Peter. I stand corrected as I thought it was pre 2000.

 

Oh wow, I was incredibly lucky then. I was living in the North East at the time and travelled down to to Middlesborugh-Grosmont-Middlesborough and remember it was a cracking day out. Didn't realise it was the only foray 80135 made!

 

How very appropriate that 80116's boiler at least lives on, and returned to its old stamping ground. As someone with a great interest in the old Scarborough & Whitby line, this REALLY hits the spot, as 80116-20 were allocated to Whitby when new, and were regulars, both on the coast line & the Whitby-Malton route.

Mark

 

Can you remember who crewed it? I doubt in was NYMR although it would have been possible for certain NYMR volunteers to do so whilst working in their professional capacity for a TOC.

 

A few photos of 80135 on 3rd May 2003 with the Whitby - Glaisdale shuttles. From memory, I think it did three per day?

Departing Whitby...


Arriving at Glaisdale...


Taking water at Glaisdale. Chris Cubitt on the ground.


Passing through Egton Bridge...