Tornado

Well they were operating their own, until they burned all the goodwill...

 

Did these false starts involve repeatedly taking bookings for tours and preserved railways and cancelling?

Applauding the locomotive in operation shouldn't cover up the questions being asked as to what the heck has happened over the last few years

 

Probably not. It's really the coaching stock picture which has changed. Just possibly the situation with SRPS and Riviera may have been different had the loco been ready two years ago and a programme of tours put in place. But nature abhors a vacuum.

 

The point I was making was really just saying, wouldnt it make more sence to tow Tornado in steam, when it moves to Carnforth, rather than risk an untried engine on an LE move then once West coast are happy with the engine, then give it an engine and coach test to Hellifield which it can do at a leisurly pace to ensure no hot boxes etc

 

Why shouldn't they be held to account?
They have taken a lot of money off a lot of people, have failed to deliver, mislead repeatedly as to the readiness of Tornado. Where are the boilers?

The P2 is in stasis at best.

And these are the team that take wages and hold themselves out to be professionals.

 

All of those...and more...

 

Are you?
Are the current management of Tornado?

 

If it doesn't get used, it won't be worn out! You can't have it both ways.

 

No, but what makes most sence, to tow in steam, so the engine , which has not ran yet at 75mph, on a main route, bearings can become hot, lubrication feeds might not be set up quite right, at least if anything does go wrong, it can be towed to somewhere that the engine can be looked at, before moving on, or it sits down, blocking the main line, If Carnforth had already test ran it, then yes move it LE& coach, but its an untested engine that they have not ran since overhaul, and it to me makes more sence to have insurence in the shape of an deisel attached .

 

Bear in mind that Martin is being proved right on this thread, and the best alternative view is "trust the a1slt" which on current track record isn't exactly glowing

 

I said "worn" not "worn out" for that very reason.

Any run wears the engine. The idea is to get paid enough to offset the wear. If the A1slt are desperate enough to get it running and WCRC are canny enough to drive a hard bargain, it could end up being a bad bargain.

Let's consider wheel tyres- after an inch was turned off them to bodge the wheels on, the cost of replacing them has been brought forward. If WCRC then lay the engine up as the tyres are below main line standard what does the Trust do then? It hasn't made the money to pay for repairs and Tornado is sitting Carnforth.

Back to the donors with a begging bowl...

 

So what is this other view?
Have you let down multiple railways at short notice?
Have you ordered 3 boilers and failed to get any of them delivered?
Do you tell your donors what's going on?
These are the problems with A1Slt

 

Latest news from the A1 Steam Locomotive Trust via Facebook. So good to see the loco returning to the main line. <BJ>

''Early morning preparation is underway ahead of Tornado’s journey north''.

 

Indeed...

 

I'd be content if there was some acknowledgement of mistakes, rather than the Panglossian everything's right in the best of all possible worlds. That would then provide a baseline for fixing stuff