If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

71000

Discussie in 'Steam Traction' gestart door richard67, 22 jul 2012.

  1. martin1656

    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

    Lid geworden:
    8 dec 2014
    Berichten:
    19.412
    Leuk Bevonden:
    12.615
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    St Leonards
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Did it do any fast running whilst on the SVR? even when being towed, bearing can always run warm, especially if the lubrication isn't quite set up right, or somewhere something gets blocked, and stops the feed
     
  2. std tank

    std tank Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    20 sep 2005
    Berichten:
    3.941
    Leuk Bevonden:
    1.076
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Retired
    Locatie:
    Liverpool
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    71000 has roller bearings.
     
  3. class8mikado

    class8mikado Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    1 jun 2009
    Berichten:
    3.854
    Leuk Bevonden:
    1.655
    Beroep:
    Print Estimator/ Repository of Useless Informatio.
    Locatie:
    Bingley W.Yorks.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Even Roller bearings need lube, at least once.
     
  4. ianh

    ianh Member

    Lid geworden:
    10 mei 2006
    Berichten:
    339
    Leuk Bevonden:
    198
    Beroep:
    Farmer -
    Locatie:
    Brecon In Wettest Wales
    Fast work by support crew..... looks like 2h20m to gain a block, inspect and then remove at least one side of motion...
     
  5. Flying Phil

    Flying Phil Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    10 dec 2018
    Berichten:
    3.044
    Leuk Bevonden:
    6.446
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Leicestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    On the axles, but the coupling and connecting rods are plain (white metal) bearings I believe.
     
    paullad1984 en 26D_M vinden dit leuk.
  6. huochemi

    huochemi Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    6 mei 2008
    Berichten:
    3.041
    Leuk Bevonden:
    1.539
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    UK
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    The coupling rod bushes and knuckle-joint pins had to be replaced on the 1954 tests due to wear. The report states that the original bushes were steel (which sounds unusual) and were replaced by bronze. The inside big end bearing also failed and a coupling rod bush had to be remetalled (presumably a replaced bush) but those problems were apparently due to the oil feeds.
     
  7. 5944

    5944 Resident of Nat Pres

    Lid geworden:
    14 jan 2006
    Berichten:
    8.980
    Leuk Bevonden:
    9.506
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Train Maintainer for GTR at Hornsey
    Locatie:
    Letchworth
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Both sides were removed.
     
  8. martin1656

    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

    Lid geworden:
    8 dec 2014
    Berichten:
    19.412
    Leuk Bevonden:
    12.615
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    St Leonards
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Is that on the motion, as well as axle boxes? Because I thought the coupling rods were plain bearings, but even if they were roller, it only takes a bit of grit, or a failed seal to very quickly render them useless, but here's hoping that it's a precaution rather than anything else and that Crewe soon have her repaired and back under test again.
     
  9. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

    Lid geworden:
    12 sep 2005
    Berichten:
    10.174
    Leuk Bevonden:
    9.840
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    Alderan !
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    25mph on the SVR . I think most was just mileage accumulation and don't recall any note of testing at speeds above

    The motion bearings are plain not roller bearings which are on the axles only
     
    Last edited: 28 mei 2025
  10. Steve

    Steve Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Lid geworden:
    7 okt 2006
    Berichten:
    12.812
    Leuk Bevonden:
    12.007
    Beroep:
    Gentleman of leisure, nowadays
    Locatie:
    Near Leeds
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I don’t know what the problem was but the coupling rods were removed and you can’t just remove one side, even if there nothing wrong with the other.
     
    Hirn, huochemi, ianh en 1 andere persoon vinden dit leuk.
  11. ianh

    ianh Member

    Lid geworden:
    10 mei 2006
    Berichten:
    339
    Leuk Bevonden:
    198
    Beroep:
    Farmer -
    Locatie:
    Brecon In Wettest Wales
    I guess the Middle Cylinder con rod stayed up..... That would have been a feat of F1 proportions to remove that in 2h20 without a pit..
     
  12. mike1522

    mike1522 Long Time Member Friend

    Lid geworden:
    9 okt 2010
    Berichten:
    2.002
    Leuk Bevonden:
    237
    Locatie:
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Thrilled that 71000 is steaming again!general feeling
     
  13. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Lid geworden:
    16 apr 2009
    Berichten:
    8.991
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.920
    You could remove the connecting rods but leave the coupling rods. Removing the coupling rods from one side and not the other would be seriously unwise.
    I do wonder why they apparently replaced the rods that drive the Caprotti gear after removing the coupling and connecting rods. Maybe reconnecting them to the cranks was easier than disconnecting the other ends.

    You would need to be very careful to keep the loco in mid-gear with the gear being driven from the middle axle, the inside cylinder connected (I think?) to the front driving axle and the driving wheels uncoupled.

    Edit: corrected a typo "than" to "that".
     
    Last edited: 29 mei 2025
  14. RAB3L

    RAB3L Member

    Lid geworden:
    4 jan 2013
    Berichten:
    501
    Leuk Bevonden:
    293
    Probably easier than oiling up a Castle without a pit, Ian? Bold!
     
    ianh vindt dit leuk.
  15. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    17 jul 2007
    Berichten:
    2.999
    Leuk Bevonden:
    4.483
    Locatie:
    Powys
    Is there any news on the Duke's issue? Seems a shame when she seemingly ran so well at the SVR, although I am suprised the opportunity wasn't taken to run her up to 50mph given how comprehensive the rebuild has been.
     
  16. MikeParkin65

    MikeParkin65 Member Friend

    Lid geworden:
    1 jul 2007
    Berichten:
    614
    Leuk Bevonden:
    687
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Seemed to do a lot less running in than previous LSL visitors
     
  17. clinker

    clinker Member

    Lid geworden:
    8 okt 2016
    Berichten:
    615
    Leuk Bevonden:
    372
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    romford
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer

    I would assume that it was either to keep the valve setting/timing as it was,(whether it was set up correctly or not,) or depending upon the disposition of the valves to prevent the (still connected?) middle piston from hitting/damaging the valves.
     
  18. LMS2968

    LMS2968 Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    1 sep 2006
    Berichten:
    3.083
    Leuk Bevonden:
    5.393
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Beroep:
    Lecturer retired: Archivist of Stanier Mogul Fund
    Locatie:
    Wigan
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    The pistons and valves are never in conflict, not like with an internal combustion engine where the valves open into the combustion chamber. Usually, the valves are held on their seats by steam pressure from the open regulator so drop off their seats when it is closed, allowing free movement of air between each side of the piston.
     
    odc, clinker en huochemi vinden dit leuk.
  19. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

    Lid geworden:
    17 jul 2007
    Berichten:
    2.999
    Leuk Bevonden:
    4.483
    Locatie:
    Powys
    They normally have a minimum amount in mind, I should think it clocked up close to 500 miles overall, even with the shortened line.
     
    MikeParkin65 vindt dit leuk.
  20. clinker

    clinker Member

    Lid geworden:
    8 okt 2016
    Berichten:
    615
    Leuk Bevonden:
    372
    Geslacht:
    Man
    Locatie:
    romford
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer


    So it would probably have been the first part of My post, preserving the 'Timing', I know from experience with Sentinels that 'Someone else' dismantling bits can cause inconvenience when re-assembling. As an aside since Duke of Gloucester has a camshaft drive on both sides is one for admission and the other exhaust?
     

Deel Deze Pagina