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Tornado

Dieses Thema im Forum 'Steam Traction' wurde von Leander's Shovel gestartet, 20 Oktober 2007.

  1. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

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    I remember getting blisters on my fingers from using a mechanical calculating machine in the 1960s. Is that what you mean? ;)
     
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    I now have visions of a whole new field of re-enactment! See the amazing historical engineers perform calculations of els/peck with quill pens on parchment!
     
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    21B Part of the furniture

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    Totally agree. Would also add that 20year daughter who actually studies Law, but is fairly practical demonstrated that the other day by extracting the engine and gearbox from the Austin 7, splitting the gearbox off, and removing the clutch in about 2 hours.
    The engineers we employ use all the modern tools, but are quite capable of driving a manual lathe or a milling machine when necessary. And hand drawing stuff is essential skill, a prerequisite for being a decent CAD engineer. I suspect we are doing with 20 engineers what 200 would have struggled to do 30 years ago.
     
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    A Facit?
     
  5. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

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    A Muldivo I think.
     
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  6. W.Williams

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    CAD & FEA have moved technology forwards, what was once near impossible is now possible, however, the skills to utilise these tools, to deliver advanced engineering are as hard to acquire and refine as the skills of old. Becoming a competent engineer in the modern era is no mean feat. And then there are regulations that must be complied with.

    Are you saying practical skills? If so, lay your blame at the door of academic institutions who do not mandate hands on skills as part of the process of becoming a qualified engineer.

    Spoken like someone who works in industry and has a good appreciation of the various things that make modern engineering difficult.

    The bottom line here is that engineering is not easy, it was never easy, and it gets no more easy as time goes on, because standards go up, customer expectations constantly go up, safety goes up and the process of designing and making ever more complex things to ever more demanding requirements continues un-abated. Engineers routinely rise to that challenge and deliver products that are a marvel of human achievement. Cars, computers, jet engines, all manner of things, deliver performance today that was unthinkable 40 years ago. Its because of engineering that these advancements continue.

    In the context of Tornado, safety and regulatory burden are clearly making the task of running the machine more difficult than it would have been many years ago, even dare I say it 30-40 years ago.
     
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  7. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    However much of Tornado's troubles over the last few years have been due to bad management and however much to bad luck, it is certainly very bad luck to be prevented from running by this hot dry weather so soon after main line operation finally resumed.
     
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  9. Victor

    Victor Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    Time for a few tweaks and tickles.:) Yon Riley fella will be casting his eagle eye over it.;)
    Then, when the rains come, it'll be 100% fit and travelling the length and breadth of the land. Happy days.:Happy:
     
  10. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Moderation Team Comment

    For those who are interested, you may have spotted that a post by @weltrol has been removed from this thread because of the inappropriate content, as recognised by several members.

    The OP has also been suspended from this Forum for a period.
     
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  11. 6960 Raveningham Hall

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    May I suggest that the individuals who ‘liked’ this disgusting post are as guilty as the originator?
     
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  12. Pete Thornhill

    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    You can and I agree it doesn’t paint a good picture, but, it’s been dealt with so time to draw a line in the sand and move on.

    TBH, the thread subject is Tornado and there’s enough to discuss on the subject that normal service can resume, so -
     
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  13. Mikey D

    Mikey D New Member

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    Looks better in Apple Green
     
  14. Pete Thornhill

    Pete Thornhill Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Administrator Moderator Friend

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    Good start, and upholding a Natpres tradition - a livery debate!!!

    Personally, I struggle with this one, I like the Apple Green, the BR blue looks good too and I think to myself that either is the one but then I also like the BR Green - it looks good in all three (not at the same time of course!!!) and I can’t make my mind up!!!
     
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  15. Victor

    Victor Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    No it doesn't, ;)
    Brunswick/BR green is best.
    I dream of Porterbrook Purple.:D
     
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    Nothing looks better in apple green, not even apples. It's also historically wrong for an A1 at the end of the production run, by which time they were being turned out in blue.
     
  17. Sheff

    Sheff Resident of Nat Pres

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    I’ve been away on holiday so missed this. Whilst it’s great to see her back where she belongs, nothing has changed as far as I’m concerned. Given infinite time and money then anyone can cobble a loco back together.

    The trust have squandered both of these.

    Sadly, after 20 years of supporting Tornado both financially and physically, I feel that the bond of trust and mutual respect that tied us all together has been shattered over the last few years, possibly irrevocably.

    I’m still supporting the P2, but my hopes aren’t high that, even if it does reach completion, I’ll still be around to witness it. The boiler was due (yet again) back in April, according to Mr Davies.

    Consequently I have chosen to redirect my funds to support another new build pacific project where, whilst lower in profile, the design and build is run by a team of professional engineers (unencumbered by egos), is based in a world class engineering facility and has links with a local advanced manufacturing R&D organisation.
     
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    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    Will he get a year's suspension like I did...?
     
  19. The Green Howards

    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    I cannot add any more to that but echo your sentiments entirely. It's why my covenant towards 60163 has now gone to the GNRS and Quainton Road - other monies are now with the Baby Deltic Project and the Ivatt Diesel Re-creation Society.
     
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    No they let em out early....to free up space.... tongue in cheek...
     
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