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The Mayflower - 6/09/25

الموضوع في 'What's Going On' بواسطة Big Al, بتاريخ ‏2 سبتمبر 2025.

  1. acorb

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    Great report as always, thanks for sharing.
     
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    The very detailed account of the day by 1020 Shireman reminded me of the slightly pissy announcement over the station PA at Exeter on the way back, blaming the fairly late notice platform change for the service that was due to be using our platform.
    "...because of the steam train occupying the platform" is if I remember correctly more or less what he said.
    As far as I know we were slightly late in, then late out, due to other services around us being delayed.
    Very convenient to blame "the steam train"
     
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  3. Charles Smythe

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    I think it was mostly caused by the failed IET in platform 5 as that is what caused Nunney to have to run through on 4.

    The whole Exeter area was affected by the failure.
     
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    I'm aware I've asked already - but feel it needs to be asked again (apologies for being persistent) but I'm trying to work out how often a sub 10 minute start to pass of Hemerdon has been achieved.
    I've looked back through the limited runs I've made over that section and can't find any at all - so a question for the serious timers (of which there were a number on here in the past) is it just my limited experiences or was that rather good?
     
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    It was ever thus.
     
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    An insightful analysis and really good read as ever. See you on the Shap Mountaineer!
     
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    An excellent write up as ever!

    The run through the platform road at Totnes was due to the down main being out of use due to a defect on the points. It was known about in advance so a contingency had been come up with and implemented to run the train early.

    The delay near Dawlish Warren coming back was due to "double blocking" because of a track circuit fault.

    The IET at Exeter hadn't failed and was waiting to form the 1904 to Bristol. Even taking into account the late arrival the water stop took a little longer than planned but these things aren't able to be calculated in advance and of course with a steam locomotive the driver has to be able to rely on there being sufficient water to get to the next water stop, so if it takes longer it takes longer. The station staff at Exeter whilst happy to see us gone on a busy Saturday evening were still friendly enough :lol:
     
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    If it had not failed then why was Nunney booked through 5 and then rerouted through 4? Surely it was planned to be there Nunney would have been
    booked through 4 to begin with?
     
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    Clarification for @Charles Smythe. Nunney was always booked through P4 and that's exactly where it went. The IET was always booked to leave from P5 and that's why it was standing there. Clun/Bahamas were always booked to be in P6 and even though they left late the only movement that was affected was the passage of the VT train diesels that followed through a short while later.

    The 17:27 Plymouth to Leeds was 15 late arriving at EXD and that was at a different platform (P4) but nothing to do with Nunney that had already passed on time 10 minutes earlier.

    Sorry to say that on the basis of what the casual observer can see the station announcement was completely misleading and you appear to have swallowed it. No steam trains caused anything to be delayed or changed at EXD but some issues back down the line towards Plymouth may have done. By the way, the PLY to LDS service managed to drop even more time and was around half an hour adrift at its destination.
     
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    Swallowed what, the general view that many people all thought was the case? Many people have been saying that the IET had broken down, not just me.

    I am only going off of what I have been told.
     
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    Indeed. As always.....
     
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    Well, 'many people' were, sadly, mistaken and you were told incorrectly. On the day, I also heard the comments, but a very simple check proved otherwise and a week after the event it definitely is straightforward to verify. Anyway, if you are still wondering, here is the evidence that it was fully operational.

    https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G05839/2025-09-06/detailed#allox_id=0
     
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    Given that the crossing person at St David’s was also saying the same thing I think I had every reason to believe what I did and no reason to question it.
     
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    Strange, I wonder why there was a platform change accounced then?
    There were certainly punters on P6 waiting for some train or other, I remember them all running off up the stairs when the announcement was made.

    There were no Mayflower passengers on the platforms as we weren't allowed off. Probably a few gricers though
     
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    That's a good question about which we are unlikely to know the definitive answer. All I can be certain of from what we can all research is that neither steam charter caused there to be delays or platform changes beyond what had already been planned for the day. And you can get that information from Real Time Trains.

    The service that was parked in P5 seems to normally sit in P6 and you can see that by looking on RTT on any Saturday other than 6/9. When a platform change is made on the day that appears on RTT in red. On 6/9 there was no such change from the plan over this service. However, on the day, the late running 1727 Plymouth to Leeds service was switched from its usual platform (P5) to P4 and that, I think, was when there was a movement of people. Maybe the thinking was that it could have been slotted into P6 after the Mayflower had left, which it could, and that would not have involved passengers needing to change platforms. But Control decided otherwise.

    All I'm trying to explain, rather than get into an argument with anyone, is that as far as I can see neither steam charter delayed anything at St Davids. What did happen is that a late running service for a different reason was re-platformed. If the announcement attributed that change to one of the charters then for good PR that may have been a good idea but was not strictly correct, in my view.
     
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    The Plymouth was showing on the boards as the following train on 6 when we arrived, and was subsequently replatformed when it became clear watering wouldn't be finished in time for it, so was advertised there for a good length of time and changed at fairly short notice.

    So to be fair to the station staff the charter might not have been the reason for the original platform alterations, but it probably was for the subsequent one :)
     
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    That makes sense but this whole discussion does illustrate how complicated it is to make sensible local decisions although they were made by people with the benefit of being able to look out of a window and see it all for themselves! They knew we were on the way once Nunney had passed at 18.32 as they gave us the road and we left at 18.36 that was a full five minutes before the Leeds train turned up. Hindsight is wonderful but Control could easily have made it more convenient for passengers by keeping the X Country on P6 where it seems it was booked on the boards and sent the VT diesels through P4 rather than P6.

    Anyway, it's an 'in the moment' decision and it's for others to decide not us!
     
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    Both Charter, and XC trains were late. Signallers made a decision to let 5029 through first as it presented itself first, and the late running XC which had lost its path into the original platform was to come second. The platform announcer appeared to take it on themselves to announce the present steam loco was to blame.
     
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    You obviously do not read the disputes or ticketing thread on Rail UK. If you did it is pretty obvious that a great deal of "information" given to passengers is totally made up.
    For example the Paddington Gate Line refusing to accept that any ticket that is not anytime is not valid in their version of the "evening peak". Or when the last two trains from Victoria to Bexhill were cancelled the advice was to "take at train to Brighton and get the first train in the morning" that of course totally ignoring the NRCoT and presumably implying you should sleep on the station or walk the streets all night. Or in a railtour context being told at West Drayton whilst waiting for a tour before travelling to London that my ticket only allowed me to be on the platform until the first train arrived. Not any longer, so I am not sure what you do if it was too full to get on.
     
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    re 5029 matters were not helped by the hours delay at Paignton on the outward journey waiting as I understand it for the Network rail pilot

    That meant departure from Kingswear was put back 30 minutes . Looking at the timings of the original path there was a lot of slack , roughly 15 minutes getting from Kingswear to Paignton alone, so even with a delayed departure there was plenty of chance 5029 would be on time by Dawlish

    there was some interesting regulation as has already been shared first 7029 and 5596 were held between the Warren and Starcross which I think was said, was due to a signalling issue resulting in double block in place . There was an IEP that followed delayed not by steam but by the signalling issue . 5029 was then making very good time and once again was held between the Warren and Cockwood . The X country was right behind it . in both cases I think had the steam workings been held at the Warren in theory the service trains could have passed there albeit adding further delay of each steam working

    the plus point though was 7029/45596 then followed 5029 to Taunton
     

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