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The Mayflower - 6/09/25

Dieses Thema im Forum 'What's Going On' wurde von Big Al gestartet, 2 September 2025.

  1. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    That makes sense but this whole discussion does illustrate how complicated it is to make sensible local decisions although they were made by people with the benefit of being able to look out of a window and see it all for themselves! They knew we were on the way once Nunney had passed at 18.32 as they gave us the road and we left at 18.36 that was a full five minutes before the Leeds train turned up. Hindsight is wonderful but Control could easily have made it more convenient for passengers by keeping the X Country on P6 where it seems it was booked on the boards and sent the VT diesels through P4 rather than P6.

    Anyway, it's an 'in the moment' decision and it's for others to decide not us!
     
  2. Will RL

    Will RL Member

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    Both Charter, and XC trains were late. Signallers made a decision to let 5029 through first as it presented itself first, and the late running XC which had lost its path into the original platform was to come second. The platform announcer appeared to take it on themselves to announce the present steam loco was to blame.
     
  3. Gladiator 5076

    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    You obviously do not read the disputes or ticketing thread on Rail UK. If you did it is pretty obvious that a great deal of "information" given to passengers is totally made up.
    For example the Paddington Gate Line refusing to accept that any ticket that is not anytime is not valid in their version of the "evening peak". Or when the last two trains from Victoria to Bexhill were cancelled the advice was to "take at train to Brighton and get the first train in the morning" that of course totally ignoring the NRCoT and presumably implying you should sleep on the station or walk the streets all night. Or in a railtour context being told at West Drayton whilst waiting for a tour before travelling to London that my ticket only allowed me to be on the platform until the first train arrived. Not any longer, so I am not sure what you do if it was too full to get on.
     
  4. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    re 5029 matters were not helped by the hours delay at Paignton on the outward journey waiting as I understand it for the Network rail pilot

    That meant departure from Kingswear was put back 30 minutes . Looking at the timings of the original path there was a lot of slack , roughly 15 minutes getting from Kingswear to Paignton alone, so even with a delayed departure there was plenty of chance 5029 would be on time by Dawlish

    there was some interesting regulation as has already been shared first 7029 and 5596 were held between the Warren and Starcross which I think was said, was due to a signalling issue resulting in double block in place . There was an IEP that followed delayed not by steam but by the signalling issue . 5029 was then making very good time and once again was held between the Warren and Cockwood . The X country was right behind it . in both cases I think had the steam workings been held at the Warren in theory the service trains could have passed there albeit adding further delay of each steam working

    the plus point though was 7029/45596 then followed 5029 to Taunton
     
  5. Charles Smythe

    Charles Smythe New Member

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    What do you mean by the Network Rail pilot?
     
  6. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    to gain access from Network Rail metals to PDSR ones the move as I understand it has to be done in the presence of someone from Network Rail . Said person was unavoidably delayed for a round 60 minutes
     
  7. acorb

    acorb Part of the furniture

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    A Network Rail person is required to clip points at Paignton, appears they were delayed by an hour delaying access to the Kingswear branch.
    Local paper had great fun.. 'broken down steam loco blocks level crossing for an hour, causing traffic chaos'.
     
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  8. Charles Smythe

    Charles Smythe New Member

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    Thank you.
    Seems like an awful lot of hassle, I always thought it was a case of the points were changed by Exeter Box and the train just went from NR metals to the PDSR and vice-versa on the return. Thank you for informing me.
     
  9. Sidmouth

    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    Depending on the nature of the connection there will be a setup that protects / prevents PDSR trains accessing net work rail and the risks resulting and vice versa. Prime risk is probably collision with another train . If the control centre just set the road onto the PDSR , where is the protection that there is no PDSR train in section for example, and worth remembering that PDSR like any main line connected railway has signalling independant from that of Network Rail.

    That protection has to cover accidental movements and worst case a runaway so will have catch points as well . These need to locked / clipped once the road is set to avoid derailment
     
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    Gladiator 5076 Resident of Nat Pres

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    That will be a MOM ( Mobile Operations Manager) then. In the past we have even needed one to unlock a padlock to allow a tanker access at a water stop. Something more pressing at the same time, or road traffic delays means you wait.
     
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  11. PILLBOX MAN

    PILLBOX MAN New Member

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    Bluebell have an arrangement with Oxted Box where the BB track points signals etc are released by Oxted box and both BB @ Network rail accept a train on or off BB by an interlocked ground frame etc etc. This is a 24 hour arrangement 7 days a week. It may be a point clip is cheaper than a similar arrangement such as BB for PDSR.
     
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    GWR4707 Nat Pres stalwart

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    I believe there are several reasons why MOM's are needed to secure rarely used crossing points, if they are not fitted with locks themselves, normally when used by passenger trains. IIRC this arose in the events leading up to the Stonehaven accident albeit to emphasise I don't recall it having any direct effect I just recall reading about the process in the description of events leading up to the accident.
     
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