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Help needed with locations : New Steam Locomotives of the H.R. C.R. & G&SWR LMS/B.R. Scottish Region

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  1. neildimmer

    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    I have added lots of new collections and photos of Steam in Scotland featuring The Caledonian Railway, The Highland Railway, Glasgow & South Western Railway
    later LMS the B.R. Scottish Region
    This first collection features the unusual Highland Railway F. Smith designed Highland Railway River Class (out of gauge) which were sold to Caledonian Railway
    14757 (formally named River Spey) & 13107 (Hughes Crab) Inverness station 1930 Smith H.R River class sold to C.R.
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...-Fredrick-George-Smith-/River-Class/i-LVqSqXX

    Relevant Info from Wikipedia
    The Highland Railway River class was a class of steam locomotive with a 4-6-0 wheel arrangement. They were designed by F. G. Smith, who had joined the Highland Railway in 1904 from the North Eastern Railway. His initial post was as manager of the Locomotive, Carriage and Wagon works at Inverness (usually referred to as Lochgorm works). When Peter Drummond departed to the Glasgow and South Western Railway at the end of 1911 Smith was appointed Chief Mechanical Engineer in his place.
    Delivery to Highland Railway
    The 'Rivers' were Smith's only design for the Highland Railway, and they were the largest and most powerful locomotives built for that company. This involved a deadweight driving axle loading of 17.75 long tons (18.03 t; 19.88 short tons), which exceeded the maximum axle loading allowed by the company's Civil Engineer. However, Smith had taken this into account, and had designed the 'Rivers' to cause much lower 'hammer blow' upon the track than the existing Highland locomotives. When the effects of hammer blow were taken into account, the 'Rivers' put the same total weight onto the track as the previous 'Castle' Class 4-6-0s.
    The first two engines were delivered to Perth around the end of August 1915, when a row immediately erupted between Smith and the company's Chief Civil Engineer Alexander Newlands. Smith and Newlands had a difficult working relationship and avoided speaking to one another. It seems that Smith had not discussed the high deadweight axle loadings with Newlands, and Newlands did not raise the matter until the locomotives arrived. On delivery, the locomotives were immediately placed in a siding while the engineers checked the drawings. Once this exercise was completed Newlands banned them from the line as being too heavy for a number of bridges and out of gauge. Smith argued that the effect of hammer blow needed to be taken into account, but the company's board sided with Newlands and Smith was forced to resign.
    Sale to Caledonian Railway
    The Highland managed to sell all six locomotives to the Caledonian Railway, and legend has it that they made a profit of £500 per engine in the process. They were out of gauge to the 'Caley' as well, but the modifications required were slight and quickly made.
    In Caledonian service they proved reliable and were well liked by their crews, despite their being outside-cylindered and the 'Caley' mostly being an inside-cylinder line. They spent most of their lives on fast goods between Aberdeen and Carlisle. Many footplatemen and shed mechanical staff regarded them as being better than the Caley's own 4-6-0 designs.
    LMS service
    By the 1920s, the effects of hammer blow were more widely understood, and it was accepted that the locomotives could safely work over the Highland Main Line. In fact, taking hammer blow into account, the total weight which the 'Rivers' put onto the track was around a ton less than the 'Clan' 4-6-0s which had been built to replace them. Some of the weaker bridges on the Highland had, in any event, been strengthened by that time. Thus the 'Rivers' ended their days on the line for which they had originally been built. The last of the class was withdrawn in 1946.

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    I have added 3 new photos to the collection of Victorian Locos designed by George Brittain for The Caledonian Railway

    Caledonian Railway 179 Class introduced 1882
    14103 at Connel Ferry c1925
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...ge-Brittain/CR-179-Class-Oban-Bogie/i-pHhP4z9
    14105 at Forfar shed c1930
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...ge-Brittain/CR-179-Class-Oban-Bogie/i-rnwbdNT

    Caledonian Railway 670 Class introduced 1878
    17018 Dundee shed c1930
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...ge-Brittain/CR-179-Class-Oban-Bogie/i-3fQvN6L

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    10/12 = 0-6-0 should read 0-4- 2 as per image 12/12
     
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    Thanks Fred
     
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    I have added 20 new photos of D. Drummond C.R. Jumbo Class 0-6-0 294 Class 17230-17392/57230-57392
    57353 Hurlford shed 1961
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...mbo-Class-0-6-0-294-and-711-Classes/i-TqmvtFS

    LMS era photos start here with
    17244 at Stirling shed c1931
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...mbo-Class-0-6-0-294-and-711-Classes/i-DFcKRk5

    B.R. era photos start here with
    57233 Stirling shed 3rd June 1961
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...mbo-Class-0-6-0-294-and-711-Classes/i-kTS7b6D

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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    I have added a new collection of photos featuring The Caledonian Railway 49 Class and 903 Class

    The Caledonian Railway 49 Class and 903 Class were 4-6-0 express passenger locomotives designed by John F. McIntosh and built at the Caledonian Railway's own St. Rollox Works in 1903 and 1906 respectively.

    https://railway-photography.smugmug...gines/Assorted-McKintosh-CR-designs/i-VqXGCtw

    In 1903, the Caledonian Railway had no passenger locomotives larger than 4-4-0s, and the heaviest trains over its main line between Glasgow and Carlisle required to be double headed, even in the less demanding southbound ('up') direction. Northbound ('down') trains also required banking assistance on the climb to Beattock Summit. In an effort to avoid these requirements, McIntosh designed a large 4-6-0 based on his 'Dunalastair' series of 4-4-0s. Two locomotives were built in 1903, and immediately became the Caledonian's flagship locomotives. Nonetheless, their performance did not live up to expectations, and it was soon clear that banking assistance was still required over Beattock. Until 1906 the Caledonian railway had no turntables long enough for the 49 Class, and arrangements for turning them included use of the Cathcart Circle or turning locomotive and tender separately. By 1906, experience with the 49 Class had enabled McIntosh to design an improved version, and the installation of new turntables at major engine sheds presaged the arrival of five new locomotives. The first of these, number 903, was named "Cardean" after the country estate of one of the CR directors, and immediately became the company's new flagship locomotive, with its name becoming a nickname for the whole class. The Caledonian gave the new locomotives a great deal of publicity and "Cardean" thus achieved some fame. Even so, the performance of the 903s was still unremarkable. Neither class was equipped with superheating when built, but all seven locomotives were rebuilt with Schmidt superheaters and new cylinders during 1911. These modifications reduced coal consumption but made little difference to the locomotives' performance, and McIntosh built no more large passenger 4-6-0s (although he did build smaller 4-6-0s for goods traffic). His successor William Pickersgill had no greater success with his inadequate, outside-cylindered 60 Class or the highly unsuccessful three-cylinder 956 Class, so the Caledonian Railway continued to rely heavily upon 4-4-0s for express passenger traffic until the Grouping.One 903 class locomotive was withdrawn in 1915 due to accident damage, but the other six locomotives passed to the London, Midland and Scottish Railway in 1923. The two 49 class locomotives were extensively renewed around 1924 with new frames and cylinders, but all of the Caledonian passenger 4-6-0s were quickly eclipsed by new LMS Compound 4-4-0 and Royal Scot 4-6-0s. The four surviving 903s were withdrawn in 1927–30, whilst the two 49s lasted until 1933. All were scrapped.
    (Info from Wikipedia)

    C.R. era
    904 at Carlisle
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...gines/Assorted-McKintosh-CR-designs/i-RmP89DG

    LMS era
    14752 (formally named Cardean) Perth shed c1930
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...gines/Assorted-McKintosh-CR-designs/i-bSbF5vg

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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    I have added a new collection featuring one of the sub class's of The Caledonian Railway 0-4-4T
    This collection was built under John F. McIntosh The C.R. 92 Class (12 built 1897) 0-4-4T
    • LMS numbers 15125–15136
    • BR numbers 55125–55127, 55129, 55130, 55132–55136 (two withdrawn before 1948)
    Just one photo taken in the BR era
    55135 unknown location
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...-Caledonian-Railway-92-Class-0-4-4T/i-sJpcjn8

    All the rest taken in the LMS era staring here with
    15126 unknown location
    https://railway-photography.smugmug...s/McIntosh-Caledonian-Railway-92-Class-0-4-4T

    Neil
     

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