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P2 Locomotive Company and related matters

Discussie in 'Steam Traction' gestart door class8mikado, 13 sep 2013.

  1. class8mikado

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    i Think the reason we are building a P2 is because they looked ( when first launched) simply Magnificent and to a lot of people think they should never have been scrapped by that 'evil' Thompson...and because Mark Allatt wanted it to happen even more than an A1...
     
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  2. Davo

    Davo Well-Known Member

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    Latest news from the Mikado messenger email i received at 7pm is that the prince of wales 2007 P2 boiler is going to arrive from meiningen in 2 weeks time also defective philidas nuts have been replaced on the loco frames as well.
     
  3. Andy B

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    The defective nuts were flagged by the Hengist project. I believe a railway industry wide circular was put out and a number of Chinese ‘cheese’ nuts were found. Good that they were discovered now.
     
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    Yes it was Hengist that flagged it up and several TOCs were grateful too.
    It’s a pity that not all heritage operators are an open with their experiences, goes to show the benefits of having professional engineers running the project.
     
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    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

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    I'd love to see what evidence you have for such a sweeping statement. My impression is that there is widespread exchange of engineering experience across the heritage sector between interested parties. Just because it is not apparent on internet forums and the like does not mean that it doesn't happen.

    Peter
     
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  6. Sheff

    Sheff Resident of Nat Pres

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    That’s not always been my experience.
     
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    If anyone is labouring under the delusion that only “hobby engineers” can be afflicted with the curse of counterfeit fasteners, allow me to very swiftly debase one of such fallacy.

    Fasteners of questionable integrity appear in established supply chains in many industries. The incentives are high, and it takes careful supply chain control to keep them out.
     
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  8. The Green Howards

    The Green Howards Nat Pres stalwart

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    See also: fake/below spec semiconductors :mad:
     
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    Chinese "stainless steel".... that goes rusty...there are various grades of SS btw....
     
  10. huochemi

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    Closer to home, dodgy copper stay material on 80072 - see e.g their annual report for 2014.
     
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    Were the copper stays counterfeit or just not good enough? (Albeit where sloppiness shades to negligence to turning a blind eye to actual fraud is sliding scale)

    Counterfeiting materials is a massive problem, sparkplugs are an example too.

    The incentives are just too easy, and a huge part of the world just doesn't culturally take quality seriously.
     
  12. huochemi

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    Tests showed the copper was not to spec.
     
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    Remember the batch of dodgy boiler rivets where the heads could be sheared of with a glancing hammer blow?
    Ray.
     
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    Just to query your maths, but if you consider the new Beachy Head is only 85% of the ' proper ' Beachy Head based it seems on BP then the new County is 90% of a 'proper' County ! I love the ' Marsh ', fabricated cylinders and all and made a special trip from Bristol to be hauled by it. Bring on the County !
     
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  15. class8mikado

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    Boiler has arrived, post on farcebook.
     
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    So there IS a Father Christmas !
     
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    But there ain't no Sanity Clause! :D
    Pat
     
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    Top Marx.
     
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    Good to see. I hope there's a bloody great wodge of paperwork in the cab showing it's verification, testing, assurance and blessing from the agent of the deity of their choice...
     
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    Ironically, in the construction industry there are usually contractual provisions around working hours/handover regimes etc that are near-universally known as "the santa clause"
     
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